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120 F.4th 433

Tesla v. NLRB

U.S. Courts of Appeals

Decided October 25, 2024

U.S. Courts of Appeals · decided 2024-10-25

Cited by 2 later decisions — most recently July 2025

Applies 29 U.S.C. § 157 (§ 7 of the National Labor Relations Act) · 29 U.S.C. § 158 (§ 8 of the National Labor Relations Act) · 29 U.S.C. § 160 (§ 10 of the National Labor Relations Act)

Relies on Universal Camera Corp. v. National Labor Relations Board · Younger v. Harris · Pearson v. Callahan

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Decided 2024-10-25

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             United States Court of Appeals
                  for the Fifth Circuit                      United States Court of Appeals
                                                                      Fifth Circuit
                              ____________                          FILED
                                                             October 25, 2024
                                No. 21-60285
                                                               Lyle W. Cayce
                              ____________
                                                                    Clerk
      Tesla, Incorporated,

                                               Petitioner Cross-Respondent,

      International Union, United Automobile, Aerospace and
      Agricultural Implement Workers of America, AFL-CIO,

                                                                    Petitioner,

                                    versus

      National Labor Relations Board,

                                         Respondent Cross-Petitioner.
                   ______________________________

                         Petition for Review of an Order
                     of the National Labor Relations Board
                          Agency Nos. 32-CA-197020,
                         32-CA-197058, 32-CA-197091,
                         32-CA-197197, 32-CA-200530,
                         32-CA-208614, 32-CA-210879,
                                  32-CA-220777
                   ______________________________

      Before Elrod, Chief Judge, and Jones, Smith, Stewart, Dennis,
      Richman, Southwick, Haynes, Graves, Higginson,
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      Willett, Duncan, Engelhardt,                                Oldham,         Wilson,
      Douglas, and Ramirez, Circuit Judges. *
      Per Curiam †:
             This case arises from a union organizing campaign at one of Tesla’s
      electric vehicle factories. Three pro-union Tesla employees and the United
      Auto Workers (“UAW”) alleged that Tesla engaged in unfair labor practices
      in violation of the National Labor Relations Act (“NLRA”). They filed
      charges with the National Labor Relations Board (“NLRB”), which found
      that a tweet by Tesla CEO Elon Musk was an unlawful threat and ordered it
      deleted. The Board likewise found that Tesla employee Richard Ortiz had
      been terminated in violation of the NLRA. Tesla petitioned this court for review of that order, and the NLRB cross-petitioned for enforcement. A panel
      of this court affirmed the Board’s order and granted its petition for enforcement. Tesla, Inc. v. NLRB, 
63 F.4th 981
 (5th Cir.), reh’g en banc granted, opinion vacated, 
73 F.4th 960
 (5th Cir. 2023) (mem.). Tesla petitioned for rehearing en banc, which we granted. Tesla, 
73 F.4th 960
.
             We VACATE the Board’s order and REMAND for further proceedings.
                                                   I
             We briefly recount (A) the history of Musk’s tweets, then (B) the
      story of Ortiz’s termination.




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             *
                 Judge Ho is recused and did not participate in this decision.
             †
                 Judge Haynes concurs in the judgment only.




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                                                  A
              Musk posted a photograph on Twitter 1 of a rocket belonging to one of
      his companies, Space Exploration Technologies Corp. A Twitter user named
      “dmatkins137”—who was not a Tesla employee—responded to that post
      with an article from a publication called “Reveal.” The “Reveal article”
      claimed that Tesla maintained unsafe working conditions. Musk and
      “dmatkins137” then engaged in the following colloquy:
              @elonmusk: Tesla factory literally has miles of painted yellow
              lines & tape. Report about forklifts not beeping is also bs. These
              are both demonstrably false, but were reported as “facts” by
              Reveal.
              @dmatkins137: Yellow is fine, got it. How about unions?
              @elonmusk: Nothing stopping Tesla team at our car plant from
              voting union. Could do so tmrw if they wanted. But why pay
              union dues & give up stock options for nothing? Our safety record is 2X better than when plant was UAW & everybody already gets healthcare.
      ROA.4536–37.
              Two days later, another Twitter user named “ericbrownzzz”—also
      not a Tesla employee—replied to Musk’s original tweet. “ericbrownzzz” accused Musk of threatening to take away employee benefits, and Musk again
      responded:
              @ericbrownzzz: Hi Elon, why would they lose stock options?
              Are you threatening to take away benefits from unionized
              workers?

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              1
                 The website formerly known as “Twitter” is now “X.” For clarity, however, we
      will refer to it as Twitter throughout this opinion because this case arose before the name
      change.




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             @elonmusk: No, UAW does that. They want divisiveness &
             enforcement of 2 class “lords & commoners” system. That
             sucks. US fought War of Independence to get *rid* of a 2 classsystem! Managers & workers shd be equal w easy movement
             either way. Managing sucks btw. Hate doing it so much.
      ROA.4537. Musk further stated that “UAW does not have individual stock
      ownership as part of the compensation at any other company,” and as such,
      Tesla employees would lose stock options if they unionized because of
      UAW’s policy. ROA.4539.
             UAW filed an unfair-labor-practice charge based on only Musk’s original tweet, responding to “dmatkins137.” The Union alleged that the tweet
      was a threat to rescind stock options if employees unionized, and therefore
      violated Section 8(a)(1) of the NLRA.
             The Board agreed. The NLRB believed that Musk’s tweet violated
      the standard set forth in NLRB v. Gissel Packing Co., 
395 U.S. 575
 (1969). And
      it ordered Musk to delete his tweet.
                                             B
             Around the same time, UAW campaigned to unionize Tesla’s facility
      in Fremont, California. Tesla employees Richard Ortiz and Jose Moran were
      among the most active supporters of UAW’s campaign. During that time,
      three Tesla employees testified before the California legislature against
      union-backed legislation.
             Ortiz did not personally watch these proceedings but wanted to find
      out which of his coworkers testified against the legislation. So he asked Moran to watch the hearings and identify the employees who testified. Moran
      sent Ortiz the names of the employees and their photos from Tesla’s internal
      Workday website. Ortiz then posted the employees’ photos on a pro-union
      Facebook group, along with the following statement:




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            These guys been in Sacramento saying we are lying about how
            things are at Tesla Management has been taking them one of
            them sez [sic] he made $130000 last year . . . . How many of
            you make . . . overtime . . . . This just proves how much kissing
            ass and ratting on people get you at Tesla and the ones that do
            the real work get passed over . . . .
      ROA.6278.
            One of the outed employees complained to Tesla Human Resources.
      The employee said Ortiz’s post was harassment.
            Ricky Gecewich opened a human resources investigation. Gecewich
      asked Ortiz if he had taken screenshots of the Workday photos to post them
      on Facebook. Ortiz denied doing so. When asked where he obtained the pictures, Ortiz said he “didn’t know” and “wasn’t sure.” ROA.535, 537.
            After investigating computer records, Tesla learned that Moran sent
      Ortiz the screenshots. In light of this information, Gecewich again asked
      Ortiz how he got the photographs. At this time, Ortiz admitted that he lied
      during his first conversation with Gecewich about how he obtained the pictures. Gecewich then recommended that Tesla terminate Ortiz for “knowingly” misleading the investigation and because he “lied about knowing the
      source of the Workday screenshots” and “admitted to not telling the truth
      during the investigation interviews.” ROA.4508.
            Tesla referred Gecewich’s recommendation to an independent decisionmaker, Stephen Graminger. Before making any termination decision,
      Graminger asked how Tesla handled dishonesty during previous internal investigations. He decided to terminate Ortiz after determining that Tesla had
      previously terminated an employee for lying to the company.
            The NLRB’s General Counsel and UAW filed unfair labor practice
      charges against Tesla for terminating Ortiz. The Board determined that




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      “[t]he credited evidence show[ed] that [Tesla] terminated Ortiz for lying
      during an investigation.” ROA.6285. But it nevertheless found that the company violated the NLRA. The Board based that finding on Tesla’s anti-union
      animus. The Board ordered that Tesla reinstate Ortiz with backpay.
                                     
             Tesla petitioned this court for review of the Board’s order, which addressed both Musk’s tweet and Ortiz’s termination. A panel of this court
      agreed with the Board. See Tesla, 
63 F.4th at 996
. Tesla petitioned for en banc
      rehearing, which we granted.
                                             II
             We (A) hold that the agency exceeded its authority by ordering Musk
      to delete his tweet. We then (B) remand to the agency to consider the fact
      that the actual decisionmaker in Ortiz’s firing harbored no anti-union
      animus.
                                              A
             The NLRB erred in ordering the deletion of Musk’s speech as a remedy for unfair labor practices. That alone is enough to vacate its order, so we
      do not reach the merits of whether the tweet constituted an NLRA violation.
             Deleting the speech of private citizens on topics of public concern is
      not a remedy traditionally countenanced by American law. “[T]he remedy”
      for bad speech, after all, should be “more speech, not enforced silence.”
      Whitney v. California, 
274 U.S. 357, 377
 (1927) (Brandeis, J., concurring); cf.
      Frisby v. Schultz, 
487 U.S. 474, 485
 (1988) (explaining that a speech restriction is narrowly tailored only “if it targets and eliminates no more than
      the exact source of the ‘evil’ it seeks to remedy.” (quoting City Council of
      L.A. v. Taxpayers for Vincent, 
466 U.S. 789, 808
 (1984))).




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              By contrast, deletion is a remedy for communications that are, in the
      First Amendment’s contemplation, not speech at all. For example, the government can order the destruction of obscene material, perjurious material,
      or other non-speech material. See Kingsley Books, Inc. v. Brown, 
354 U.S. 436, 444
 (1957) (upholding a “Penal Law [that] provides for destruction of obscene matter following conviction for its dissemination”); R.A.V. v. City of
      St. Paul, 
505 U.S. 377, 383
 (1992) (explaining that certain communications
      fall outside the scope of the First Amendment and are “not . . . speech at all”
      (citation omitted)); see also United States v. Alvarez, 
567 U.S. 709
, 717–18
      (2012) (plurality) (listing categories).
              These same rules apply to labor disputes. Consider Gissel, for example. That case involved pamphlets that the Board found unlawful under the
      NLRA. 395 U.S. at 587–89. Rather than order the offending pamphlets destroyed, the Board issued a bargaining order against the corporation. See 
id.
      at 591–92; see also 
29 U.S.C. § 160
(a). Such a sanction fell within the traditional remedial ambit of the First Amendment by punishing the speaker for
      wrongful speech, rather than destroying the communications.
              In this case, we assume without deciding that the NLRA applies to
      speech on Twitter. And we further assume without deciding that Musk’s
      tweet violated the NLRA. 2 Even so, the Board’s speech-deletion order
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              2
                 The dissent accuses us of issuing a “logically incoherent en banc opinion given
      that finding a violation is a condition precedent to the issue of remedy.” Post, at 12; see also
      
id. at 20
. True, we “expressly pretermit[] whether Musk’s tweet was an unfair labor practice,” 
id. at 12
, because we hold that the tweet-deletion injunction cannot issue. Pretermitting the merits because the remedy cannot issue is far from logically incoherent. Federal
      courts make this move in many areas of law. See, e.g., Pearson v. Callahan, 
555 U.S. 223, 242
 (2009) (leaving “to the sound discretion of the lower courts to determine the order
      of ” deciding (1) whether the government has violated the Fourth Amendment and (2)
      whether to deny suppression under the good-faith exception). And independent bars to injunctive relief are often a reason not to reach the merits of a case. See, e.g., Whole Woman’s
      Health v. Jackson, 
595 U.S. 30
, 44-45 (2021) (pretermitting the merits of Texas S.B. 8’s




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      cannot stand. We hold that Musk’s tweets are constitutionally protected
      speech and do not fall into the categories of unprotected communication like
      obscenity and perjury. And the Board does not dispute the general rule that
      it (like every other part of the Government) is powerless to delete protected
      speech. Rather, the Board’s only authority for its speech-deletion remedy is
      a previous NLRB opinion involving speech on Twitter, FDRLST Media, 370
      N.L.R.B. No. 49, at 1 n.5 (2020), which was subsequently vacated by the
      Third Circuit. See FDRLST Media, LLC v. NLRB, 
35 F.4th 108, 126
 (3d Cir.
      2022) (vacating the NLRB’s finding that a Tweet was an unfair labor practice
      and holding that when “protecting employees’ statutory labor rights, neither
      we, nor the Board, can violate an employer’s right to free speech under the
      First Amendment”). We follow our sister circuit in vacating the Board’s decision here. 3

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      constitutionality where no Ex parte Young action was available against the Texas attorney
      general); Younger v. Harris, 
401 U.S. 37, 41
 (1971) (declining to rule on the “constitutionality of the state law” sought to be enforced by the district attorney because “of the national
      policy forbidding federal courts to stay or enjoin pending state court proceedings except
      under special circumstances”); Jones v. Hendrix, 
599 U.S. 465
, 471–80 (2023) (as in much
      of habeas law, declining to reach the merits of postconviction relief claim where the writ of
      habeas is barred under AEDPA); Mississippi v. Johnson, 
71 U.S. (4 Wall.) 475
, 497–501
      (1867) (declining to address the constitutionality of the Reconstruction Acts since the injunction against the President could not issue).
              3
                 Before the en banc court, the agency offers a new argument. That is something
      this court cannot permit. See Calcutt v. FDIC, 
598 U.S. 623
, 628–29 (2023) (per curiam);
      see also SEC v. Chenery Corp., 
332 U.S. 194, 196
 (1947) (holding that if the agency rests its
      decision on “grounds [that] are inadequate or improper, the court is powerless to affirm
      the administrative action by substituting what it considers to be a more adequate or proper
      basis”). Even if Chenery did not forbid us from accepting the NLRB’s argument, it is still
      unavailing. The agency now justifies the speech deletion as a “customary” exercise of the
      Board’s power “to expunge a violation.” NLRB EB Br. at 42. To support that “customary” power, the Board points to a case where it ordered an employer to remove from its
      files references to an unlawful discharge. 
Id.
 at 42 n.20 (citing Cordua Rests., Inc., 368
      N.L.R.B. No. 43, at *7 (2019)). Whatever power the Board might or might not have to order
      such remedies involving a company’s non-public, internal files, it says nothing about the




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                                                  B
              Finally, we consider the Board’s decision to order Tesla to reinstate
      Ortiz with backpay.
              We review the Board’s findings for substantial evidence. Dish Network
      Corp. v. NLRB, 
953 F.3d 370, 376
 (5th Cir. 2020). Substantial evidence is a
      term of art defined both in the NLRA and through years of Supreme Court
      precedent. Id.; see also 
29 U.S.C. § 160
(e)–(f) (establishing that substantial
      evidence means a review of “the record considered as a whole”). The
      Supreme Court has explained: “The substantiality of evidence must take into
      account whatever in the record fairly detracts from its weight.” Universal
      Camera Corp. v. NLRB, 
340 U.S. 474, 488
 (1951). And it has explained that
      “the requirement for canvassing ‘the whole record’ in order to ascertain substantiality” means that Congress has
              made it clear that a reviewing court is not barred from setting
              aside a Board decision when it cannot conscientiously find that
              the evidence supporting that decision is substantial, when
              viewed in the light that the record in its entirety furnishes, including the body of evidence opposed to the Board’s view.
      
Id.
 What that means for our court is that the evidence from the Board “must
      be substantial, not speculative, nor derived from inferences upon inferences.” Brown & Root, Inc. v. NLRB, 
333 F.3d 628, 639
 (5th Cir. 2003). So
      “to survive substantial evidence review, then, the Board has to consider
      ‘contradictory evidence or evidence from which conflicting inferences could



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      Board’s authority over public speech on topics of public concern. See Snyder v. Phelps, 
562 U.S. 443, 452
 (2011) (“[S]peech on public issues occupies the highest rung of the hierarchy
      of First Amendment values, and is entitled to special protection.” (quoting Connick v. Myers, 
461 U.S. 138, 145
 (1983))).




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      be drawn.’ ” Dish Network Corp., 
953 F.3d at 377
 (quoting Universal Camera,
      
340 U.S. at 487
).
             Here, the NLRB failed to consider the contradictory fact that the decisionmaker who authorized Oritz’s firing, Graminger, had no anti-union animus. The sworn testimony before the Board on the subject went as follows:
             Q: Was Mr. Ortiz’s union activity—did that play any role whatsoever in the decision you made to terminate Mr. Ortiz?
             A: No, not at all.
      ROA.1309–10. In fact, the record shows that Graminger was a member of a
      different union and harbored pro-union sentiments. He testified that he was
      interested in “[t]he efforts to make UAW and . . . because I’m still a member
      of the union in Germany and I still pay my membership fees—I’m interested
      in it.” ROA.1331. The Board did not consider these facts, which detract from
      its conclusion, and hence its order must be vacated. See Dish Network Corp.,
      
953 F.3d at 377
.
             The NLRB and UAW resist this conclusion by arguing that Tesla cannot rely on Graminger as a neutral decisionmaker because he received some
      incorrect information from Gecewich. It is true that an employer cannot
      avoid liability by pointing to a neutral decisionmaker if another decisionmaker
      “had a significant role in the discharge and [used] anti-union discrimination
      [to] infect[] what might otherwise have been an innocent sterile act.” NLRB
      v. Neuhoff Bros., Packers, Inc., 
375 F.2d 372, 375
 (5th Cir. 1967).
             Here, however, Gecewich’s misstatements were minor and did not
      play a “significant role” in Ortiz’s termination. For example, Gecewich confused which employee complained about Workday misuse, the private nature
      of the Facebook group where Ortiz posted the Workday pictures, and the nature of the employees’ legislative testimony. None of the alleged errors relate
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      an employee for dishonesty during company investigations. That is a far cry
      from Neuhoff, where an anti-union supervisor threatened to “fire anyone
      [who] sign[ed] a union card,” personally threatened to fire a particular employee who signed a union card, and then “categorically” told the ultimate
      decisionmaker to discharge that employee. 
Id.
 at 374–76.
             On remand, the Board is free to reconsider the record and make any
      decision supported by substantial evidence. It bears emphasis, however, that
      the Board bears the burden of showing “that the employer acted out of anti-union animus.” Valmont Indus., Inc. v. NLRB, 
244 F.3d 454
, 464 n.2 (5th Cir.
      2001). This means the Board “must do more than simply support an inference that protected conduct is a motivating factor in the employer’s decision.” 
Id.
                                    
             For the foregoing reasons, the NLRB’s order is VACATED, Tesla’s
      petition for review is GRANTED, the Board’s petition for enforcement is
      DENIED, and the case is REMANDED to the NLRB. The Board’s crosspetition for enforcement is DENIED AS MOOT.




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      James L. Dennis, Circuit Judge, joined by Stewart, Richman,
      Southwick, Graves, Higginson, Douglas, and Ramirez,
      Circuit Judges, dissenting:
                In a short opinion that is light on law and facts, the en banc plurality
      only reaches two of the four issues on appeal and punts on the rest. It holds
      that the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB)’s order directing Elon
      Musk to delete a coercive tweet (a threat to take stock options away from
      Tesla employees if they voted to become unionized) violates the First
      Amendment, against the weight of four Supreme Court authorities. See
      NLRB v. Va. Elec. & Power Co., 
314 U.S. 469
 (1941); Thomas v. Collins, 
323 U.S. 516
 (1945); NLRB v. Gissel Packing Co., 
395 U.S. 575
 (1969); Chamber of
      Com. v. Brown, 
554 U.S. 60
 (2008). It also holds that pro-union Tesla
      employee Richard Ortiz may not have been unlawfully terminated because
      Tesla’s ultimate decision-maker, a supervisor-employee, testified that he
      harbored no anti-union animus—testimony the NLRB considered and
      rejected. The plurality says zip about whether the NLRB is entitled to
      enforcement of the seven uncontested Tesla labor violations found by the
      NLRB. And the plurality expressly pretermits whether Musk’s tweet was an
      unfair labor practice (ULP), resulting in a logically incoherent en banc
      opinion given that finding a violation is a condition precedent to the issue of
      remedy in this case. See NLRB v. Riley-Beaird, Inc., 
681 F.2d 1083, 1086
 (5th
      Cir. 1982) (holding that whether speech is protected by the First Amendment
      is an identical inquiry to whether it constituted a threat because the First
      Amendment’s protections end where threats in violation of the NLRA
      begin).
                The plurality’s approach is inconsistent with established First
      Amendment principles and with this court’s role as a court of review. I would
      grant the NLRB’s petition to enforce its findings of the seven ULPs in which
      Tesla has acquiesced; find that its factual findings with respect to Musk’s



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      tweet and Ortiz’s termination are supported by substantial evidence; and find
      that it did not exceed or abuse its broad remedial authority—to take action to
      “effectuate the policies of” the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), see 
29 U.S.C. § 160
(c)—in ordering Musk to delete the threatening tweet. I
      therefore respectfully dissent.
                                             I
             The plurality omits several material details from its opinion. In
      summer 2016, Tesla employee Jose Moran contacted the United Auto
      Workers union (UAW) about unionizing Tesla employees at the technology
      and design corporation’s car manufacturing facility in Fremont, California.
      As part of the unionization effort, the UAW created a Voluntary Organizing
      Committee (VOC) of employees acting as union organizers. Along with
      Moran and others, Richard Ortiz, Jonathan Galescu, and Michael Sanchez
      were VOC members. As retribution for efforts to organize, Tesla repeatedly
      violated the NLRA by coercing and discriminating against supporters of the
      union. Specifically, as affirmed by the NLRB, an Administrative Law Judge
      (ALJ) found that Tesla: (1) interfered with multiple employees’ leafletting
      activities in February and May 2017; (2) prohibited employees from
      distributing union materials without approval and threatened them with
      discharge on March 23, 2017; (3) threatened on March 30, 2018, that
      selecting the UAW as a bargaining representative would be futile; (4)
      prohibited employees from communicating with the media about their
      employment by requiring employees to sign a Confidentiality Agreement
      containing a provision that stated “it is never OK to communicate with the
      media” about Tesla; (5) coercively interrogated employees about their
      protected union activities; (6) promulgated a rule restricting employees’ use




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      of Tesla’s “Workday” program 1 in response to Ortiz and Moran’s protected
      union activities; (7) disciplined Moran for his union activity; (8) unlawfully
      terminated Ortiz for engaging in protected union activity; and (9) threatened
      to take stock options away from Tesla employees if they voted to became
      unionized by means of a tweet by Elon Musk on Twitter (now known as
      “X”). This en banc appeal centers around only the two ULPs that Tesla
      contests on appeal: the threatening tweet by Musk; and the termination of
      Tesla employee and union activist Richard Ortiz.
                                                  A
              Tesla’s CEO, agent, and supervisor Elon Musk maintains the Twitter
      handle “@elonmusk” as his personal account and uses it to tweet 2 about
      Tesla’s business decisions and plans, finances, production goals, personnel
      matters, and breaking news. On May 20, 2018, during the organizational
      campaign, Musk tweeted:
              Nothing stopping Tesla team at our car plant from voting
              union. Could do so tmrw if they wanted. But why pay union
              dues & give up stock options for nothing? Our safety record is
              2X better than when plant was UAW & everybody already gets
              healthcare.
      Musk’s tweet was in response to another user, who asked Musk, in part,
      “How about unions?”. Over the next few days, other users and Musk


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              1
                “Workday is a third-party [human resources] software program that [Tesla] uses
      to electronically store and access employees’ personnel files. Employees can access Workday to, among other things, view and electronically sign documents.”
              2
                “[T]he social media platform Twitter allows its users to publish short messages,
      photographs, videos, and hyperlinks (all called ‘tweets’) to the general public. Other users
      may respond to or republish those tweets and engage in virtual dialogues with other users
      on the platform.” Campbell v. Reisch, 
986 F.3d 822, 823
 (8th Cir. 2021).




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      interacted on the same “thread” 3 of tweets, as well as on an additional
      thread, in what Musk asserts was his effort to clarify his earlier tweet. Musk’s
      attempted clarification came days after the original May 20 tweet.
              On May 23, 2018, the UAW filed a ULP charge based on the May 20
      tweet, alleging that Musk’s tweet was a threat to rescind employees’ stock
      options if the employees voted to unionize, a violation of Section 8(a)(1) of
      the NLRA.
                                                    B
              Around the same time as Musk’s tweet, at Tesla’s behest, three
      employees opposed to unionization, including Travis Pratt, testified against
      proposed legislation supported by the UAW during a California legislature
      public hearing. Ortiz did not attend the hearing, but it was recorded. A
      political organizer on behalf of the UAW sent Ortiz a link to the video
      recording. Ortiz had difficulty accessing the recording, so he sent the link to
      Moran and asked if Moran could open it. Ortiz also asked Moran if he knew
      who the three employees were. Using his personal phone, Moran watched
      the video, noted the names of the employees, and used Tesla’s Workday
      program to search for the employees’ names to verify that they were in fact
      Tesla employees. 4 Moran took screenshots of the Workday profiles of the

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              3
                When one looks at a tweet, “[a] comment thread appears below the original tweet
      and includes both the first-level replies (replies to the original tweet) and second-level replies (replies to the first-level replies).” Knight First Amend. Inst. Columbia Univ. v. Trump,
      
928 F.3d 226, 230
 (2d Cir. 2019), vacated as moot sub nom. Biden v. Knight First Amend. Inst.
      Columbia Univ., 
141 S. Ct. 1220
 (2021). Twitter threads thus “reflect multiple overlapping
      conversations among and across groups of users and are a large part of what makes Twitter
      a social media platform.” 
Id.
 (citation and quotation marks omitted). Twitter threads become a permanent record of what the users said on that occasion.
              4
                At the time of this case, Tesla had no rule prohibiting Moran from using Workday
      to confirm the identity of the three pro-company employees who appeared in the legislative
      hearing against the UAW-sponsored legislation. Nor was there any company rule against




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      three employees and sent them to Ortiz. The Workday profiles included a
      photo of each employee. Tesla had no policy prohibiting such use of Workday
      or otherwise restricting employee access to the program at that time.
              Ortiz posted two of the screenshots, including a screenshot of Pratt’s
      profile, to a private “Tesla Employees for UAW Representation” Facebook
      page 5 and included his comment that the pictured employees were “in
      Sacramento saying we are lying about how things are at Tesla.” Ortiz noted
      that Pratt testified at the public hearing that his salary was $130,000, and
      Ortiz commented, “[t]his just proves how much kissing ass and ratting on
      people get you at Tesla and the ones that do the real work get passed over.”
      Though the Facebook group was private, and Pratt was not a member,
      someone sent him the post. Pratt then sent Ortiz a message, objecting to the
      “name calling,” after which Ortiz quickly removed the post from Facebook.
              Pratt also texted a screenshot of the post to Josh Hedges, a Senior
      Human Resources Director for Production and Supply Chain at Tesla, with
      the caption, “[l]ooks like we got under some people’s skin,” followed by a
      smiley face, referring to the testimony. Hedges asked whether the post was
      on Facebook, and Pratt responded, “Yea lol [laugh out loud] I’m pretty sure
      it’s on their fair future at Tesla thing.” Pratt allegedly told Hedges by phone




              _____________________
      Ortiz’s use of the information gathered by Moran to inform pro-union employees of Tesla’s
      agents-employees’ anti-union legislative lobbying activity.
              5
               Employees interested in unionizing voted on a campaign slogan, “Driving a Fair
      Future at Tesla,” and the UAW created a public website and public Facebook group, “A
      Fair Future at Tesla,” in support of the campaign. Moran also created a private Facebook
      group called “Tesla Employees for UAW Representation.” While the public group could
      be joined and viewed by anyone on Facebook, access to the private group was restricted
      and required approval from Moran or Ortiz.




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      that he felt harassed and targeted because of the Facebook post. 6 After
      speaking with Pratt, Hedges submitted a complaint to Tesla’s employeerelations team and contacted Tesla investigator Ricky Gecewich about the
      situation. A few days later, Gecewich interviewed Pratt, who repeated his
      story.
               Gecewich also interviewed Ortiz, who said he apologized and
      removed the post after Pratt contacted him. Gecewich then asked where the
      pictures came from and Ortiz said he could not remember, which he later
      admitted was untrue. Gecewich obtained logs of who had viewed Pratt’s
      Workday profile and identified Moran. Gecewich met with Moran, who said
      he accessed Pratt’s Workday profile to confirm that he was a Tesla employee
      after seeing his testimony at the legislature. Moran told Gecewich that he
      needed to identify anti-union employees as part of the unionization
      campaign. He also told Gecewich he sent the screenshots to Ortiz. Gecewich
      met with Ortiz again, and Ortiz admitted that he had feigned lack of memory
      to protect Moran’s identity.
               Gecewich penned a report recommending that Ortiz be fired for
      “admittedly lying,” and that Moran be disciplined “for accessing Workday
      for non-business related purposes.” The report said Moran claimed he was
      asked by a UAW representative to verify whether Pratt and others were Tesla
      employees. The report also said that Moran had admitted to using Workday
      for other personal purposes in the past—for example, to compare his title to
      other employees. Hedges agreed with Gecewich’s recommendation that



               _____________________
               6
              Pratt did not testify before the ALJ. Ortiz, Hedges, Moran, and Gecewich did.
      The ALJ found Moran credible, found Ortiz credible in part, and found Hedges and
      Gecewich not credible, assigning reasons for each credibility finding.




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      Ortiz be fired and chose Stephan Graminger, Tesla’s Director of Body
      Manufacturing, to be the ultimate decisionmaker as to Ortiz’s fate.
             Gecewich met with Graminger, along with Ortiz’s direct manager,
      Ron Martinez, and another human resources official. Gecewich told
      Graminger that Ortiz had leaked personal information and lied during the
      investigation. Graminger did not make an immediate decision, but first asked
      his superior, Peter Hochholdinger, whether similar cases involving lying
      during an investigation had resulted in termination and was told that they had
      resulted in termination. After receiving this information, Graminger
      approved the decision to fire Ortiz. 7 Ortiz’s employment at Tesla was
      terminated on October 18, 2017. Ortiz’s termination was not based on any
      specific human resources rule or policy.
                                            C
             The UAW and three pro-union Tesla employees filed multiple
      charges with the NLRB alleging ULPs against Tesla. An ALJ found that
      Tesla had committed nine violations, and the NLRB issued an order
      affirming the ALJ. In our court, Tesla filed a petition for review of two of the
      nine ULPs and the NLRB filed a cross-application to enforce its order. A
      panel of our court issued a per curiam opinion denying Tesla’s petition and
      granting the NLRB’s cross-application. See Tesla, Inc. v. NLRB, 
63 F.4th 981
      (5th Cir. 2023), reh’g en banc granted, opinion vacated, 
73 F.4th 960
 (5th Cir.
      2023). Our en banc court granted rehearing.
             On en banc rehearing, Tesla continues to only challenge two of the
      nine labor violations found by the NLRB and the NLRB’s tweet-deletion
      remedy. First, Tesla challenges the NLRB’s finding that Musk committed a
             _____________________
             7
              The ALJ found Graminger to be a “more credible witness” than Hedges and
      Gecewich, but still found his testimony confusing and contradictory.




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      labor violation by posting an unlawful threat on Twitter. Second, Tesla
      contends that part of the NLRB’s choice of remedy for this violation—an
      order for Tesla to direct Musk to delete the tweet—was “improper.” And
      third, Tesla objects to the NLRB’s finding that employee Richard Ortiz was
      unlawfully terminated.
                                            II
             Most puzzling among the plurality’s errors is its silent declination of
      the NLRB’s request for summary enforcement of the seven labor violations
      that Tesla chose not to contest on appeal. The NLRB is clearly entitled to
      summary enforcement of its order pertaining to the following Tesla
      violations: (1) interfering with employee leafletting; (2) prohibiting
      employees from distributing union materials without approval/threatening
      them with discharge; (3) threatening that selecting the UAW would be futile;
      (4) prohibiting employees from communicating with the media about their
      employment; (5) interrogating certain employees about union activity; (6)
      promulgating a rule restricting Workday use in response to Ortiz and
      Moran’s union activity; and (7) disciplining Moran for his union activity.
      Tesla does not challenge these findings, and “[f]indings of the Board that the
      employer does not challenge are waived on review, entitling the Board to
      summary enforcement.” Cordua Rests., Inc. v. NLRB, 
985 F.3d 415, 422
 (5th
      Cir. 2021) (citation omitted). The plurality’s refusal to grant the NLRB’s
      request for enforcement of these ULP findings is devoid of any support or
      explanation in its opinion or the record.
                                           III
             The ALJ found that Musk’s tweet violated Section 8(a)(1) of the
      NLRA because it could be reasonably understood by employees as a threat to
      unilaterally rescind stock options if employees unionized, rather than as a
      carefully phrased prediction, based on objective fact, of the likely




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      consequences of unionization beyond Tesla’s control. 8 The NLRB affirmed
      the ALJ’s findings and ordered Tesla to cease and desist from its conduct and
      to direct Musk to delete the tweet from his Twitter account. Tesla argues
      that the tweet, especially when viewed in context, was not a threat and was
      instead protected by Section 8(c) of the NLRA. The en banc plurality
      pretermits this issue for no stated reason, even though it vacates the
      corresponding remedy on First Amendment grounds. Ante, at 7–8 (plurality
      opinion). I would reach the merits of the ULP issue because finding a labor
      violation is a condition precedent to addressing the issue of the tweet deletion
      remedy. See Riley-Beaird, Inc., 
681 F.2d at 1086
.
              Since the NLRA’s inception, Section 7 has afforded employees “the
      right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to
      bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to
      engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining
      or other mutual aid or protection”—and “the right to refrain from any or all
      of such activities.” See 
29 U.S.C. § 157
. To make this guarantee effective,
      Section 8(a)(1) makes it a ULP for an employer “to interfere with, restrain,
      or coerce employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in” Section 7.
      See 
29 U.S.C. § 158
(a)(1).
              “An unlawful threat is established under § 8(a)(1), if under the totality
      of the circumstances, an employee could reasonably conclude that the
      employer is threatening economic reprisals if the employee supports the
      union.” NLRB v. Delta Gas, Inc., 
840 F.2d 309, 311
 (5th Cir. 1988) (citation
      omitted). “The test for determining ‘whether an employer has violated

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              8
               As explained, the tweet at issue stated “[n]othing stopping Tesla team at our car
      plant from voting union. Could do so tmrw if they wanted. But why pay union dues & give
      up stock options for nothing? Our safety record is 2X better than when plant was UAW &
      everybody already gets healthcare.”




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      § 8(a)(1) is whether the employer’s questions, threats or statements tend to
      be coercive, not whether the employees are in fact coerced[.]’” Brown &
      Root, Inc. v. NLRB, 
333 F.3d 628, 634
 (5th Cir. 2003) (quoting NLRB v.
      PNEU Elec., Inc., 
309 F.3d 843, 850
 (5th Cir. 2002)). Whether an employer
      is making an unlawful threat is measured objectively, from the perspective of
      an employee, and is not contingent on “either the motivation behind the
      remark or its actual effect.” Miller Elec. Pump & Plumbing, 
334 NLRB 824
,
      824 (2001); Brown & Root, 
333 F.3d at 634
.
             Section 8(c) of the NLRA cabins Section 8(a)(1) by stating that “[t]he
      expressing of any views, argument, or opinion, or the dissemination
      thereof . . . shall not constitute or be evidence of an unfair labor practice
      under any of the provisions of this subchapter, if such expression contains no
      threat of reprisal or force or promise of benefit.” See 
29 U.S.C. § 158
(c). To
      fall within Section 8(a)(1)’s protection then, an employer’s prediction of the
      effects of unionization “must be carefully phrased on the basis of objective
      fact to convey an employer’s belief as to demonstrably probable
      consequences beyond his control.” Gissel, 
395 U.S. at 618
. If the employer’s
      statement instead carries “any implication that an employer may or may not
      take action solely on his own initiative” in response to unionization, then it
      is a “threat of retaliation.” 
Id.
 (emphasis added). Thus, a statement implying
      that unionization will result in the loss of benefits, without some explanation
      or reference to the collective-bargaining process, economic necessity, or
      other objective facts, is a coercive threat, but is not a threat if made in the
      context, for example, of explaining that existing benefits may be traded away
      during the bargaining process. UNF W., Inc. v. NLRB, 
844 F.3d 451, 458
 (5th
      Cir. 2016). Put simply, “an employer is free only to tell ‘what he reasonably
      believes will be the likely economic consequences of unionization that are
      outside his control,’ and not ‘threats of economic reprisal to be taken solely
      on his own volition.’” Gissel, 
395 U.S. at 619
 (quoting NLRB v. River Togs,




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      Inc., 
382 F.2d 198, 202
 (2d Cir. 1967)). In this way, Section 8(c) of the NLRA
      balances “an employer’s free speech right to communicate his views to his
      employees” against an employee’s Section 7 right to associate freely and to
      be free of coercion. Id. at 617.
              The NLRB is an expert in labor law, so our review of its orders is
      supposed to be “limited and deferential.” In-N-Out Burger, Inc. v. NLRB,
      
894 F.3d 707, 714
 (5th Cir. 2018). The NLRB’s factual findings are
      “conclusive” so long as they are “supported by substantial evidence on the
      record considered as a whole.” 9 
29 U.S.C. § 160
(e). “Substantial evidence is
      that which is relevant and sufficient for a reasonable mind to accept as
      adequate to support a conclusion. It is more than a mere scintilla, and less
      than a preponderance.” IBEW, Loc. Unions 605 & 985 v. NLRB, 
973 F.3d 451
,
      457 (5th Cir. 2020) (citation omitted). “[T]he ALJ’s decision must be upheld
      if a reasonable person could have found what the ALJ found, even if” we
      would have reached a different conclusion had we heard the case in the first
      instance. Standard Fittings Co. v. NLRB, 
845 F.2d 1311, 1314
 (5th Cir. 1988).
      “In determining whether the Board’s factual findings are supported by the
      record, we do not make credibility determinations or reweigh the evidence.”
      NLRB v. Allied Aviation Fueling, 
490 F.3d 374, 378
 (5th Cir. 2007); accord Ill.
      Cent. R.R. Co. v. Norfolk & W. Ry. Co., 
385 U.S. 57, 69
 (1966) (“It is not for
      the court [on substantial evidence review] to strike down conclusions that are
      reasonably drawn from the evidence and findings in the case.”). “Only in the
      most rare and unusual cases will an appellate court conclude that a finding of
      fact made by the [NLRB] is not supported by substantial evidence.” Flex Frac

              _____________________
              9
               Throughout this dissent, I occasionally focus on the ALJ’s decision as opposed to
      the NLRB’s decision because the ALJ engaged in the initial fact-finding with which the
      NLRB largely agreed. See, e.g., NLRB v. Gulf States United Tel. Co., 
694 F.2d 92, 95
 (5th
      Cir. 1982) (focusing on the findings of the ALJ, which were later adopted by the NLRB).




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      Logistics, L.L.C. v. NLRB, 
746 F.3d 205, 208
 (5th Cir. 2014) (quoting Merchs.
      Truck Line, Inc. v. NLRB, 
577 F.2d 1011
, 1014 n.3 (5th Cir. 1978)). The
      NLRB’s legal conclusions are reviewed de novo. Id. at 207.
                                          
              At the outset, Tesla argues that Musk’s tweet was not made in the
      labor relations context because it was posted on Twitter, a “natural forum
      for public debate.” Given that forum, Tesla argues, the NLRA’s
      proscriptions cannot reach Musk’s speech. For support, Tesla relies on the
      Third Circuit’s decision in FDRLST Media, LLC v. NLRB, 
35 F.4th 108
 (3d
      Cir. 2022).
              A close reading of FDRLST Media, LLC reveals that the Third
      Circuit’s opinion is inapposite to Tesla’s argument, but instead supports my
      conclusion that Musk’s tweet was made in the labor relations context. In
      FDRLST Media, LLC, the Third Circuit found that a satirical, nonsensical
      tweet 10 (about sending writers and editors to the salt mine) by the executive
      officer of The Federalist was not a threat in a case where there was not “even
      a single example of labor-management tension.” 35 F.4th at 123–24. 11 In
      doing so, the Third Circuit highlighted that “[t]he record does not show that
      [the executive officer] ever used []his account to communicate with
              _____________________
              10
                 In that case, on the same day that unionized employees of a competitor magazine
      business walked off the job, the executive officer of The Federalist tweeted, “FYI @fdrlst
      first one of you tries to unionize I swear I’ll send you back to the salt mine.” FDRLST
      Media, LLC, 
35 F.4th at 113
. The Third Circuit found “[t]he tweet’s suggestion that . . .
      [writers and editors] might be sent ‘back’ to work in a ‘salt mine’” was “farcical.” 
Id. at 123
. “The image evoked—that of writers tapping away on laptops in dimly-lit mineshafts
      alongside salt deposits and workers swinging pickaxes—is as bizarre as it is comical.” 
Id.
              11
                Of course, those facts are wholly distinguishable from those present in this case.
      Here, there was no element of humor in Musk’s tweet and the instant case arose from a
      “tense union campaign” in the context of “Tesla’s history of labor violations.” Tesla, Inc.,
      
63 F.4th at 986, 993
.




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      employees or that employees were required to follow it.” Id. at 124. In the
      present case, by contrast, referencing the “Tesla team,” Musk issued a
      public message on a public platform that reached over twenty-two million
      individuals—some of whom are employees of Tesla—advocating against
      unionization at Tesla during an ongoing and heated labor dispute. The parties
      stipulated that Twitter, and the use of tweets, is a commonly accepted form
      in which some companies announce news in lieu of, or in addition to, press
      releases. Tesla specifically stipulated that Musk uses his personal Twitter
      account to communicate Tesla’s business decisions and plans, finances,
      production goals, personnel matters, and breaking news. Indeed, Tesla’s
      head of human resources credibly testified that “she understood Musk to
      tweet on behalf of Tesla.” And we know that at least one Tesla employee saw
      the tweet. I would find that Musk’s dissemination on Twitter is akin to a
      company official issuing a press release to the public where anyone including
      employees may read the statement. See Vemco, Inc., 
304 NLRB 911
, 925,
      enforced in part by NLRB v. Vemco, Inc., 
989 F.2d 1468
 (6th Cir. 1993) (press
      release broadcasted to the public sufficiently communicated same to the
      employees). Just as there, the undisputed facts of this case demonstrate that
      Musk’s tweet occurred in the labor relations context.
             Beyond that, Tesla’s argument that Musk’s May 20, 2018, tweet
      “was not threatening on its face” is unavailing because implied threats are
      threats under the NLRA. See, e.g., Tellepsen Pipeline Servs. Co. v. NLRB, 
320 F.3d 554, 564
 (5th Cir. 2003) (“[Employer’s] statements . . . constitute[d]
      implied threats of reprisal for union activities in violation of section
      8(a)(1).”); J.L.M. Inc., 
312 NLRB 304
, 305 (1993) (implied threat contained
      in an employer’s posting violated the NLRA). Tesla claims that the tweet
      was not a threat because it started out by saying that there was “[n]othing
      stopping” employees from unionizing and it is a strain to characterize “give
      up stock options for nothing” as a threat, because, unlike the threat of plant




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      closure, compensation is not within the employer’s unilateral control once
      employees unionize and the parties engage in collective bargaining. However,
      because stock options are part of Tesla’s employees’ compensation, and
      because nothing in the tweet suggested that Tesla would be forced to end
      stock options on account of unionization, or that the UAW would be the
      cause of giving up stock options, substantial evidence supported the NLRB’s
      conclusion that the tweet was an implied threat to end stock options as
      retaliation for unionization. The record, in fact, bears out that only Tesla has
      the power to unilaterally revoke stock option benefits and the UAW has no
      policy precluding stock option benefits for its members. See Gissel, 
395 U.S. at 618
 (requiring “demonstrably probable consequences beyond [the
      employer’s] control” that rest on “objective fact”). Moreover, the
      statement in Musk’s tweet is materially similar to other statements that the
      NLRB and our court have found to be threats. See, e.g., NLRB v. Bama Co.,
      
353 F.2d 320, 323
 (5th Cir. 1965) (involving a supervisor threat that
      “unionization would probably result” in lost benefits); Hendrix Mfg. Co. v.
      NLRB, 
321 F.2d 100, 104
 (5th Cir. 1963) (“[I]f the Union came in, the
      current profit sharing plan would be discontinued.”); Intermedics, Inc., 
262 NLRB 1407
, 1411 (1982), enforced by NLRB v. Intermedics, Inc., 
715 F.2d 1022
      (5th Cir. 1983) (“[I]f the Company were to go union the employees would
      lose all their benefits.”).
             Tesla’s next argument, that the tweet was not a threat because it was
      grounded in the objective fact that UAW-represented employees at other
      companies supposedly do not have stock options, misapplies the relevant law.
      The legal test to determine what constitutes a threat under the NLRA is
      whether the tweet would have been reasonably understood by employees as
      a threat and therefore whether it tended to be coercive, not whether
      employees would have been able to independently verify that the tweet was
      based in objective fact. Brown & Root, 
333 F.3d at 634
. The tweet itself did




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      not include any objective facts that would lead a reasonable employee to
      conclude that the UAW, rather than Tesla, would be the cause of employees
      giving up stock options. 12 UNF W., Inc., 
844 F.3d at 458
 (“[I]f the statement
      in its context fails to include any reference to the collective-bargaining
      process or to any economic necessities or other objective facts as a basis for
      its prediction . . . then it is impermissible, because it implies that an employer
      may act on its own initiative, unilaterally, and for its own reasons.” (internal
      quotation omitted)).
              Furthermore, the remainder of the Twitter thread, a related thread,
      and a later press release do nothing to stop employees from reasonably
      interpreting Musk’s May 20, 2018, tweet as a threat. 13 Tesla postulates that
      the ALJ erred by not analyzing the tweet in the context of later tweets and
      communications, demonstrating that Musk believed the UAW would take
      away stock options and clarifying that the original tweet was not a threat.
      Tesla is incorrect for two reasons. First, Musk’s May 22 and May 23 tweets
      and publications were not “contemporaneous” with his May 20 tweet, so
      they cannot change whether the original tweet was objectively an implied
      threat. 
Id.
 (“[C]ontemporaneous or earlier contextual factors can influence a
      statement’s reasonable import for the listener at the time that the statement
      was uttered.” (citation omitted)). Second, although “additional comments
      can be made to clarify, expand, or otherwise alter the context and reasonable

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              12
                 And again, the record before us establishes that the UAW has no policy prohibiting stock option benefits for union members.
              13
                 On May 22, 2018, two days after the initial tweet, Musk was asked by another
      Twitter user, in a reply to his initial May 20 tweet, “[a]re you threatening to take away
      benefits from unionized workers?”, to which he responded “No, UAW does that.” The
      next day, May 23, writing on a different Twitter thread, Musk tweeted “UAW does not
      have individual stock ownership as part of the compensation at any other company.” The
      users that Musk responded to were not Tesla employees.




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      import” of the original tweet, 
id.,
 the parties stipulated that “[i]t is not
      possible to know or determine if every individual that viewed the tweets by
      Elon Musk [on] May 20 also viewed the tweets by Elon Musk [from] May 22
      and 23.” Combined with Tesla’s history of labor violations, this supports the
      NLRB’s finding that employees would understand Musk’s tweet as a threat
      to retaliate by rescinding stock options; especially when considered in the
      context of “the economic dependence of [Tesla] employees on their
      employer[].” Gissel, 
395 U.S. at 617
.
             Lastly, Tesla asks us to depart from our precedent and the precedent
      of every other circuit by arguing that the absence of subjective employee
      coercion evidence undercuts the NLRB’s finding that Musk’s tweet was
      coercive. But the test for determining “whether an employer has violated
      Section 8(a)(1) is whether the employer’s questions, threats or statements
      tend to be coercive, not whether the employees are in fact coerced.” Brown
      & Root, 
333 F.3d at 634
; see also, e.g., Allegheny Ludlum Corp. v. NLRB, 
301 F.3d 167
, 176 (3d Cir. 2002) (“[T]he test is an objective test in which the
      employer’s intent is irrelevant and the proper inquiry is the impression of a
      reasonable employee.”); Teamsters Loc. Union No. 171 v. NLRB, 
863 F.2d 946
, 954 (D.C. Cir. 1988); NLRB v. Marine Optical, Inc., 
671 F.2d 11
, 18 (1st
      Cir. 1982); HealthBridge Mgmt., LLC v. NLRB, 
902 F.3d 37, 46
 (2d Cir.
      2018); Alton H. Piester, LLC v. NLRB, 
591 F.3d 332, 336
 (4th Cir. 2010);
      Torbitt & Castleman, Inc. v. NLRB, 
123 F.3d 899, 906
 (6th Cir. 1997); C&W
      Super Mkts., Inc. v. NLRB, 
581 F.2d 618
, 624 n.5 (7th Cir. 1978); Russell
      Stover Candies, Inc. v. NLRB, 
551 F.2d 204
, 207–08 (8th Cir. 1977); Lippincott
      Indus., Inc. v. NLRB, 
661 F.2d 112, 114
 (9th Cir. 1981); Lear Siegler Inc. v.
      NLRB, 
890 F.2d 1573, 1580
 (10th Cir. 1989); Mead Corp. v. NLRB, 
697 F.2d 1013, 1025
 (11th Cir. 1983). Tesla accurately recounts that in FDRLST
      Media, LLC, 
35 F.4th at 125
, the Third Circuit stated, “subjective responses
      can be relevant” in a case where “a third party with no connection to the




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      employer or the employees—and who lack[ed] knowledge of the relevant
      context—file[d] a charge against an employer with no history of labor
      problems.” Ours, however, is not that case. See supra p. 12 n.11. In cases like
      this one, where employees participating in an active organizing campaign
      allege coercion based on a non-joking statement from an employer with a
      history of ULPs, courts have never required evidence of subjective employee
      coercion. I would decline Tesla’s invitation to be the first.
             At bottom, this is far from “the most rare and unusual case[]” where
      we will “conclude that a finding of fact made by the [NLRB] is not supported
      by substantial evidence.” Flex Frac Logistics, L.L.C., 
746 F.3d at 208
 (citing
      Merchs. Truck Line, Inc., 577 F.2d at 1014 n.3). When an employer threatens
      to do something that is only within its power, employees will take their
      employer seriously because their livelihoods are on the line. See Gissel, 
395 U.S. at 617
 (“[T]he economic dependence of the employees on their
      employers, and the necessary tendency of the former, because of that
      relationship, to pick up intended implications of the latter that might be more
      readily dismissed by a more disinterested ear.”). That rings true, especially
      when, as here, the employer makes that statement during a heated union
      campaign and when the employer has a history of committing labor violations
      (Tesla acquiesces in seven other labor violations in this case alone). I would
      conclude that substantial evidence supported the NLRB’s finding that
      Musk’s May 20, 2018, tweet was a threat to unilaterally rescind stock options
      if employees unionized.
                                            IV
             Despite “assum[ing] without deciding that Musk’s tweet” was a
      ULP, the plurality proceeds to vacate the NLRB’s order directing Musk to
      delete the offending tweet because the remedy is novel and violative of the
      First Amendment. Ante, at 6–8. Respectfully, both arguments are misplaced.




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              First, in Section 10(c) of the NLRA, Congress gave the NLRB broad
      remedial authority to order violators “to cease and desist” from their ULPs
      and “take such affirmative action” as will “effectuate the policies of” the
      NLRA. See 
29 U.S.C. § 160
(c). The Supreme Court and our court apply a
      very liberal standard when reviewing challenges to the NLRB’s choice of
      remedy. The NLRB’s choice of remedy “must be upheld unless it can be
      shown that the board either abused its discretion or exceeded its statutory
      authority.” NLRB v. Kaiser Agric. Chem., 
473 F.2d 374, 382
 (5th Cir. 1973).
      “The close relationship between labor policy and choice of remedy, coupled
      with the board’s competence and expertise in the field of labor relations,
      dictate that the board’s judgment [in fashioning a remedy] be given ‘special
      respect by reviewing courts.’” 
Id.
 (quoting Gissel, 
395 U.S. at 612
 n.32).
      “And, ‘it is for the Board not the courts to determine how the effect of prior
      unfair labor practices may be expunged.’” Franks Bros. Co. v. NLRB, 
321 U.S. 702, 704
 (1944) (quoting Int’l Ass’n Machinists v. NLRB, 
311 U.S. 72, 82
 (1940)).
              Beyond a generic argument doubting the source of the NLRB’s
      remedial authority, 14 neither Tesla nor the plurality bother to articulate why
      they think Congress excluded from the NLRB’s authority the ability to order
      deletion of a continuing, threatening, coercive, and therefore NLRAviolating tweet posted by a company’s CEO. “Quite early on, the Court
      established that ‘the relief which the statute empowers the Board to grant is

              _____________________
              14
                 Tesla spills significant ink questioning the source of the NLRB’s remedial authority. The answer is a simple one. Congress gave the NLRB the authority (and the task)
      of “devising remedies to effectuate the policies of the Act” in 
29 U.S.C. § 160
(c). NLRB
      v. Seven–Up Bottling Co., 
344 U.S. 344, 346
 (1953). While Tesla and the plurality clearly
      disagree with Congress’s policy-making decision to give the NLRB wide-ranging remedial
      authority, those kinds of policy judgments, under our separation of powers, come from
      Congress and the President, not judges.




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      to be adapted to the situation which calls for redress.’” Sure-Tan, Inc. v.
      NLRB, 
467 U.S. 883, 900
 (1984) (first quoting NLRB v. MacKay Radio & Tel.
      Co., 
304 U.S. 333, 348
 (1938); and then citing D. McDowell & K.
      Huhn, NLRB Remedies for Unfair Labor Practices 8–15
      (1976)). “The congressional determination to draft section 10(c) in indefinite
      language rather than to formulate preordained penalties for each offense [was
      designed to] allow[] the Board to set the tenor of its own authority by
      imaginative and specific treatment of the unique circumstances surrounding
      each unfair practice.” See Dennis M. Flannery, The Need for Creative Orders
      Under Section 10(c) of the National Labor Relations Act, 112 U. Penn. L.
      Rev. 69, 70 (1963). Given that the use of Twitter to commit labor violations
      is itself relatively unprecedented, the imaginativeness of the order to delete a
      tweet does not mean that the NLRB lacks the authority to order such a
      remedy.
             Any suggestion that the NLRB’s broad authority to fashion remedies
      excludes ordering Tesla to direct Musk to delete a threatening tweet (a
      permanently standing labor violation) would render the NLRB impotent to
      effectuate the NLRA in the face of employers’ use of social media. Because
      there is no way to know precisely who saw or will see the permanent record
      of Musk’s tweet, it would be left in place as a constant reminder to employees
      of the vulnerability of their stock options and perhaps other fringe benefits to
      unilateral recission by Tesla. The NLRB’s deletion remedy remains sound
      even though Musk attempted to clarify days later that his earlier tweet was
      not intended by him or Tesla as a threat to take away employees’ stock
      options. An NLRB remedy “must dispel, compensate for, or at least
      neutralize, the frustrating effects of persistent illegal activity.” J.P. Stevens &
      Co. v. NLRB, 
417 F.2d 533
, 541 (5th Cir. 1969). The NLRB is not required to
      assume that after-the-fact assertions, buried down-thread or sprinkled in
      different Twitter threads, would have reached and changed the impression




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      of every Tesla employee who read the earlier offending tweet prior to the
      election. Accordingly, the NLRB’s remedy order is neither in excess of its
      broad statutory authority nor an abuse of discretion warranting remand under
      our highly deferential standard of review.
             Second, there is no First Amendment issue posed by the deletion
      remedy because, contrary to the plurality’s naked assertion, Musk’s coercive
      tweet was not “constitutionally protected speech.” 15 Ante, at 8. While the
      First Amendment broadly states that “Congress shall make no law . . .
      abridging the freedom of speech,” U.S. Const. amend. I, the Supreme
      Court has never accepted the view that freedom of speech and association
      are “‘absolutes.’” Konigsberg v. State Bar of Cal., 
366 U.S. 36, 49
 (1991).
      “[T]he First Amendment does not protect all speech, nor has it ever. ‘There
      are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the
      prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any
      Constitutional problem.’” Bailey v. Iles, 
87 F.4th 275, 283
 (5th Cir. 2023)
      (quoting Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 
315 U.S. 568
, 571–72 (1942)); cf.
      Herceg v. Hustler Mag., Inc., 
814 F.2d 1017, 1020
 (5th Cir. 1987) (“The
      Supreme Court has recognized that some types of speech are excluded from,
      or entitled only to narrowed constitutional protection.”).
             Relevant here, the Supreme Court has consistently held that the First
      Amendment does not protect threatening, coercive employer speech to
      employees in the labor organization election context—the precise category
      of speech Musk disseminated via Twitter. In NLRB v. Virginia Electric &

             _____________________
             15
                 The plurality misrepresents FDRLST Media, LLC, 
35 F.4th at 126
, as vacating
      the NLRB’s tweet deletion remedy because the remedy was violative of the First Amendment. Ante, at 8. The Third Circuit vacated the NLRB’s tweet deletion order not because
      the remedy was improper, but rather because the “facetious and sarcastic tweet” at issue
      was not a labor violation in the first place. FDRLST Media, LLC, 
35 F.4th at 127
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      Power Co., the Supreme Court took up a challenge to the NLRB’s
      determination that the posting of an anti-union bulletin was a ULP from
      which the employer could be ordered to “cease and desist.” 
314 U.S. 469
,
      475–77 (1941). The Virginia Electric Court noted that the NLRA did not
      prohibit an employer “from expressing its view on labor policies or
      problems” unless the employer’s speech “in connection with other
      circumstances [amounts] to coercion within the meaning of the Act.” 
Id. at 477
. By remanding for additional factfinding, the Court made clear that the
      mere presence of expression did not protect ULPs under the First
      Amendment: “The mere fact that language merges into a course of conduct
      does not put that whole course without the range of otherwise applicable
      administrative power. In determining whether the Company actually
      interfered with, restrained, and coerced its employees the Board has a right
      to look at what the Company has said as well as what it has done.” 
Id. at 478
.
      On remand, the NLRB (its membership by that point fully changed) found
      that the employer’s “messages, whatever their significance when viewed
      standing alone, plainly cannot be regarded as mere expressions of the
      employer’s opinion,” and that “the posting of the bulletin was an integral
      part of the respondent’s conduct, and as such, interfered with, restrained,
      and coerced the respondent’s employees in the exercise of the rights
      guaranteed in Sec. 7 of the Act,” a conclusion left undisturbed by subsequent
      appeals. Va. Elec. & Power Co., 
44 NLRB 404
, 428, 442 n.22 (1942), enforced
      by Va. Elec. & Power Co. v. NLRB, 
132 F.2d 390, 396
 (4th Cir. 1942), aff’d,
      
319 U.S. 533
 (1943). Just four years later, in Thomas v. Collins, the Court
      framed Virginia Electric as “recogniz[ing] that employers’ attempts to
      persuade to action with respect to joining or not joining unions are within the
      First Amendment’s guaranty. . . . When to this persuasion other things are
      added which bring about coercion, or give it that character, the limit of the
      right has been passed.” 
323 U.S. 516
, 537–38 (1945).




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                The principles announced in Virginia Electric and Collins were applied
      by the Court in NLRB v. Gissel Packing Company, 
395 U.S. 575
 (1969). At
      issue in Gissel were an employer’s written and spoken anti-union statements.
      
395 U.S. at 619
. In considering a First Amendment challenge, the Supreme
      Court emphasized that an employer’s “free speech right to communicate his
      views to his employees” is “firmly established.” 
Id. at 617
. Still, any
      assessment of employer expression “must be made in the context of its labor
      relations setting,” where “an employer’s rights cannot outweigh the equal
      rights of the employees to associate freely.” 
Id.
 “[A]ny balancing of those
      rights,” the Court explained, “must take into account the economic
      dependence of the employees on their employers, and the necessary
      tendency of the former, because of that relationship, to pick up intended
      implications of the latter that might be more readily dismissed by a more
      disinterested ear.” 
Id.
 The Court went on to hold that an employer’s coercive
      speech falls “outside the protection of the First Amendment and 8(c).” 
Id. at 579
.
                Further still, in Chamber of Commerce v. Brown, 
554 U.S. 60
 (2008),
      relying on Virginia Electric, Collins, and Gissel, the Court again found that free
      debate is not without limits. In that case, the Court found that California laws
      regulating employer speech within a zone protected and reserved for market
      freedom were preempted by the NLRA. Relevant to Musk’s tweet, in laying
      out its preemption analysis, the Court emphasized that the NLRA
      “implements the First Amendment” and demonstrates “congressional
      intent to encourage free debate on issues dividing labor and management.”
      
Id.
 at 66–67 (citations omitted). The Supreme Court found that only
      noncoercive employer speech about unionization is protected by the First
      Amendment. 
Id.
 And our own sturdy precedent conforms with these
      holdings. See Riley-Beaird, Inc., 
681 F.2d at 1086
 (recognizing that the issue
      of whether speech is protected under the First Amendment is the same as




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      whether it constituted a threat in violation of the NLRA—because the First
      Amendment does not protect that type of speech—so, “the issue before us
      is not where to draw the line separating protected from unprotected speech.
      That line is settled. The only issue is whether the Board correctly determined
      that [Musk]’s conduct constituted a violation of section 8(a)(1)”).
             Together these cases show that the First Amendment protects to a
      great degree an employer’s right to speak out against union representation of
      its employees, but the First Amendment does not grant employers carte
      blanche to use their speech to commit labor violations. For the reasons stated
      earlier, substantial evidence supported the NLRB’s finding that Musk used
      his Twitter account to threaten to unilaterally deprive unionizing employees
      of stock option benefits. Even the plurality “assume[s] without deciding that
      Musk’s tweet violated the NLRA.” Ante, at 7. Faithfully applying Virginia
      Electric, Thomas, Gissel, and Chamber of Commerce, which we must as an
      inferior appellate court, the First Amendment does not protect Musk’s
      coercive speech, regardless of whether it is uttered on Twitter, in a
      newspaper, or on the factory floor. See, e.g., NLRB v. Laredo Coca Cola
      Bottling Co., 
613 F.2d 1338, 1341
 (5th Cir. 1980) (affirming the NLRB’s
      finding of retaliatory threat that employer delivered in the form of quotation
      to a newspaper); Citizens United v. Fed. Election Comm’n, 
558 U.S. 310, 326
      (2010) (holding that “[w]e must decline to draw, and then redraw,
      constitutional lines based on the particular media or technology used” by a
      particular speaker). Given that Musk’s coercive speech was unprotected, the
      NLRB’s subsequent tweet deletion order—a remedy that has ample




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      historical precedent 16—poses no First Amendment issue. 17 See Laurence
      H. Tribe, American Constitutional Law (2d ed. 1988) § 12–37,
              _____________________
              16
                 See, e.g., Alexander v. United States, 
509 U.S. 544, 550
 (1993) (authorizing a court
      order to seize and destroy books, magazines, and films from a person convicted of an obscenity law without any finding that those materials were obscene or otherwise unprotected
      by the First Amendment); Balboa Island Vill. Inn, Inc. v. Lemen, 
40 Cal. 4th 1141
, 1155–56,
      
156 P.3d 339, 349
 (Cal. 2007), as modified (Apr. 26, 2007) (holding that a trial court had
      authority to require an individual Yelp user to delete speech on the platform because the
      speech was defamatory and, thus, unprotected by the First Amendment); Kinney v. Barnes,
      
443 S.W.3d 87, 93
 (Tex. 2014) (permitting a court order “to remove [defamatory] statements from . . . websites . . . upon a final adjudication that the statements are defamatory”);
      Glennon v. Rosenblum, 
325 F. Supp. 2d 1255
, 1269 (N.D. Ala. 2018) (ordering websites carrying a defendant’s defamatory story to delete it from their internet platforms). The plurality says that only “non-speech material” can be destroyed. Ante, at 7. But the case cited
      for this proposition rejects precisely this “simplistic, all-or-nothing-at-all approach to First
      Amendment protection.” R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, 
505 U.S. 377, 384
 (1992). R.A.V. explained that certain “areas of speech can, consistently with the First Amendment, be regulated because of their constitutionally proscribable content (obscenity, defamation, etc.)—not
      that they are categories of speech entirely invisible to the Constitution.” 
Id. at 383
 (emphasis in original). As with fighting words or true threats, remediation of employer coercion
      under the NLRA is permissible because—though it may travel through the channels of
      speech—such coercion is unprotected as an “element of communication.” See 
id. at 386
.
      It strains credulity to suggest that the Virginia Electric Court would have viewed the
      NLRB’s cease and desist order to be unconstitutional if it specifically required the company
      to take down intimidating bulletins in the workplace rather than refrain from posting them.
      Does an employer or a proprietor or a landlord have similar First Amendment immunity
      when posting a notice that those of the wrong sex or race or age have no place on its premises, so long as it does so before any of the civil rights laws are enforced against it?
               The plurality’s unprecedented First Amendment simplification aside, it is not
      clear to me that this case would even fall within the ambit of such a dubious rule. The recirculation of messages on Twitter is “the product of a wealth of choices about whether—
      and, if so, how—to convey posts,” distinct from the speaker’s own expression in the first
      instance. Moody v. NetChoice, LLC, 
144 S. Ct. 2383
, 2405 (2024). Such continuing recirculation on Twitter’s public interface, not any specific act of expression stored on Twitter’s
      servers, is what is targeted here. See, e.g., Pittsburgh Press Co. v. Pittsburgh Comm’n on Hum.
      Rels., 
413 U.S. 376, 388
 (1973) (“Discrimination in employment is not only commercial
      activity, it is illegal commercial activity under the Ordinance. We have no doubt that a
      newspaper constitutionally could be forbidden to publish a want ad proposing a sale of narcotics or soliciting prostitutes. . . . The illegality in this case may be less overt, but we see
      no difference in principle here.” (footnote omitted)). Options may be available to the




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      pp. 1054–1055 (“Once specific expressional acts are properly determined to
      be unprotected by the first amendment, there can be no objection to their
      subsequent suppression or prosecution.”).
                                                   V
              Finally, I would uphold the NLRB’s finding that Tesla terminated
      Ortiz for not divulging information about protected union activities during an
      interrogation in violation of Section 8(a)(1) and (a)(3) of the NLRA.
              Section 8(a)(3) of the NLRA makes it a ULP for an employer to
      discriminate “in regard to hire or tenure of employment . . . to encourage or
      discourage membership in” a union. See 
29 U.S.C. § 158
(a)(3). Such
      discrimination interferes with Section 7 rights, so it also violates Section
      8(a)(1). See Metro. Edison Co. v. NLRB, 
460 U.S. 693
, 698 n.4 (1984); 
29 U.S.C. § 158
(a)(1). Thus, “an employer violates section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the
      Act by discharging employees because of their union activity.” NLRB v.
      ADCO Elec. Inc., 
6 F.3d 1110, 1116
 (5th Cir. 1993). While an employer has a
      legitimate right to investigate “facially valid complaints of employee
      misconduct, including complaints of harassment,” the NLRA also protects

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      NLRB that address the first imperative without running afoul of the plurality’s view of the
      second. Because we remand, the NLRB may consider potential remedies that would allow
      posts to be preserved (which is to say, not “deleted”) without continuing their injurious
      recirculation, such as allowing a post to be downloaded to a private archive or copied to a
      private account before removal, or enabling some posts to be made private while an account
      is otherwise maintained as public.
              17
                 The plurality invokes the adage of counter-speech, arguing that “‘the remedy’
      for bad speech, after all, should be ‘more speech, not enforced silence.’” Ante, at 6–7 (quoting Whitney v. California, 
274 U.S. 357, 377
 (1927) (Brandeis, J., concurring)). The plurality goes on to concede that deletion can be a proper remedy for speech that falls outside
      of the First Amendment’s protection. Id. at 7. It is precisely because Musk’s coercive
      speech is unprotected that the NLRB’s deletion order does not offend the First Amendment.




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      an employee’s right to keep his or her union activities confidential, even if
      that means giving evasive or untruthful answers in response to an employer’s
      questions that an employee reasonably believes are inquiries into protected
      union activity. Fresenius USA Mfg., Inc., 
362 NLRB 1065
, 1065 (2015);
      Paragon Sys., Inc. & Arthur J. Blake, 
362 NLRB 1561
, 1565 (2015); Consol.
      Diesel Co. v. NLRB, 
263 F.3d 345
, 353-54 (4th Cir. 2001).
             The NLRB balances those two rights through the following rule: If an
      employee has a “reasonable basis” for believing that her employer is
      attempting to uncover protected union activity, and if the questioning
      employer has no legitimate business justification for doing so, then an
      untruthful or evasive employee response concerning that activity is not a
      lawful basis for discharge. See, e.g., Tradewaste Incineration, 
336 NLRB 902
,
      907 (2001); St. Louis Car Co., 
108 NLRB 1523
, 1525–26 (1954); Paragon Sys.,
      Inc., 362 NLRB at 1565; accord, e.g., Onyx Env’t Servs., L.L.C., 
336 NLRB 902
, 907 (2001). One way our court has measured the “reasonableness” of
      an employee’s belief is by asking whether the employee’s false or “evasive
      statement[] . . . in response to [employer] questioning [is] ‘inextricably
      involved’ with the employee’s protected conduct.” Cordua, 
985 F.3d at 429
      (quoting NLRB v. Roney Plaza Apartments, 
597 F.2d 1046, 1051
 (5th Cir.
      1979)). The NLRB’s balancing rule recognizes employees’ “normal
      reluctance to divulge” protected activity to employers, who often use such
      information to retaliate. Aladdin Indus., Inc., 
147 NLRB 1392
, 1407 (1964).
      The rule also aligns with the well-established principle that untruthful
      answers to questioning about union activity are evidence of employer
      coercion—not employee misconduct. See Sturgis Newport Bus. Forms, Inc. v.
      NLRB, 
563 F.2d 1252
, 1256 (5th Cir. 1977); Jays Foods, Inc. v. NLRB, 
573 F.2d 438, 444
 (7th Cir. 1978). If such answers justified discharge, an
      employer could easily rid itself of union supporters by asking questions about
      protected activity likely to provoke evasion or untruthfulness.




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              Applying these standards here, Ortiz’s false statement—responding
      “I don’t know” to Gecewich asking where the Workday screenshots came
      from—is “inextricably involved” with Ortiz’s protected conduct. The
      NLRB, in adopting the ALJ’s finding, described Ortiz’s protected concerted
      activity as all of the actions that Ortiz and Moran took “[u]pon learning that
      employees testified on behalf of Tesla during a union-sponsored California
      State Assembly bill[.]” This includes: (1) Ortiz asking Moran to help him
      learn if these individuals were current employees; (2) Moran then searching
      Workday system to search for these employees; (3) Moran sending the
      screenshots of their Workday profiles to Ortiz; and (4) Ortiz then posting the
      screenshots with his comments on the union employees’ private Facebook
      page. 18 Tesla concedes that it interviewed Ortiz about these protected union
      activities, during which interview Ortiz lied about knowing the source of the
      screenshots, the stated reason for Ortiz’s termination. Ortiz’s false
      statement in response to Gecewich’s question obviously meets the
      “inextricably involved” standard set by Roney Plaza Apartments, 
597 F.2d at 1051
, and reaffirmed by Cordua, 
985 F.3d at 429
. It follows, then, that Ortiz
      “reasonably understood that Gecewich was trying to learn about his
      protected activities when [Gecewich] repeatedly asked who sent him the
      Workday profile screenshots.” Ortiz was “scared to death” that he would be
      discharged and did not want to get Moran in trouble. And for good reason:
      that is exactly what happened—Ortiz was fired, and Moran was disciplined.
              Nor did Tesla have an alternative lawful motive to question Ortiz.
      Tesla argues that it was faced with a facially valid complaint of misconduct.
      “[O]ne of the employees targeted in the Facebook post (Pratt) submitted it
      to a member of the HR department (Hedges) and said he felt harassed and
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              18
                Tesla does not dispute this NLRB finding and, therefore, it has waived the issue.
      See Flex Frac Logistics, L.L.C., 
746 F.3d at 208
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      targeted by Ortiz.” That report eventually made its way to Gecewich, who
      apparently “understood that Pratt felt targeted and harassed” because of the
      Facebook post. Tesla relies on the precept that an employer may question an
      employee about their protected union activity when the employer has a
      “legitimate business justification” for doing so, United Servs. Auto. Ass’n v.
      NLRB, 
387 F.3d 908, 916
 (D.C. Cir. 2004), and the precept that “employers
      have a legitimate business interest in investigating facially valid complaints of
      employee misconduct, including complaints of harassment.” Fresenius USA
      Mfg., Inc., 362 NLRB at 1065.
             Substantial evidence supported the NLRB’s factual finding that
      Tesla’s questioning of Ortiz was not part of a facially valid complaint of
      employee misconduct. Specifically, the ALJ found that the initial complaint
      of harassment from Pratt to Hedges, the Tesla human resources official who
      had invited Pratt to testify against the UAW legislation, and Hedges’s
      complaint to Gecewich, was disingenuous given the content of Pratt’s text
      messages to Hedges. “Pratt complained that Ortiz’ Facebook post made him
      feel singled out, but this claim [wa]s disingenuous since he forwarded the
      Facebook post to Hedges with the remark, ‘Looks like we got under
      someone’s skin’ with a smiling face and eyes and rosy cheeks emoji. This
      addition of the emoji does not reflect a concern of harassment.” When
      Hedges responded by asking if the post was on Facebook, Pratt replied “Yea
      lol.” Gecewich was shown a copy of this text exchange. Pratt later explained
      to the investigator, according to the investigator notes, that he sent the post
      to Hedges “more as a we are getting a rise out of people.”
             The ALJ further based its finding that Pratt’s claim of harassment was
      not a facially valid complaint of employee misconduct on: (1) other ULPs
      established in the record (including a prior instance of Tesla improperly
      interrogating Ortiz about his union activities); (2) Gecewich’s knowledge of
      the context within which the Facebook post and Workday use occurred; and



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      (3) Gecewich’s questioning of Ortiz, which was aimed at discovering the
      identity of Ortiz’s source and fellow pro-union colleague, Moran—
      information that Tesla did not otherwise have a legitimate right to discover,
      considering that Tesla had no rule restricting employee use of Workday. In
      fact, it is undisputed that Tesla had no rule against employees accessing
      Workday at the time it began its investigation into Ortiz, and Tesla does not
      contest the NLRB’s determination that it violated the NLRA by disciplining
      Moran for accessing Workday in this manner. All of this is substantial
      evidence that Tesla had no legitimate business justification to question Ortiz
      about his protected union activity. “A court reviewing an agency’s
      adjudicative action should accept the agency’s factual findings if those
      findings are supported by substantial evidence . . . [and] should not supplant
      the agency’s findings merely by identifying alternative findings that could be
      supported by substantial evidence.” Arkansas v. Oklahoma, 
503 U.S. 91
, 112–
      13 (1992).
             Considering that Ortiz “reasonably understood that Gecewich was
      trying to learn about his protected activities” and the substantial evidence
      that Tesla had no legitimate business justification to question Ortiz about the
      same, the NLRB reasonably found that Ortiz had no obligation to respond
      truthfully. Ortiz’s “dishonesty”—that he could not recall who sent him the
      Workday screenshots—does “not constitute a lawful reason to discharge
      h[im].” United Servs. Auto. Ass’n, 387 F.3d at 916–17 (“There is, then,
      substantial evidence in the record to support the Board’s finding that the
      employees could reasonably believe that the company had only one objective
      in questioning Williams and the other employee: to identify, with certainty,
      who had engaged in the protected concerted activity.” (citations omitted)).
      Accordingly, Tesla’s assertion that it discharged Ortiz for concealing his
      coworker’s union activity constitutes an admission of unlawful motive under
      settled law. See ADCO Elec. Inc., 
6 F.3d at 1116
 (“[A]n employer violates




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      section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act by discharging employees because of their
      union activity.”).
             The en banc plurality has no rebuttal to this analysis. Instead, in
      another punt, it vacates the NLRB’s Ortiz reinstatement order and remands
      for the NLRB to consider that the ultimate decisionmaker, Graminger, was
      pro-union, falsely claiming that the NLRB failed to do so the first time
      around. Ante, at 9–11. That is error for three independent reasons.
             First, that evidence is immaterial to the conclusion that Ortiz was not
      required to answer Gecewich’s question truthfully, and, again, Tesla and
      Graminger admit they terminated Ortiz because of his “dishonesty” to
      Gecewich. That Graminger was purportedly pro-union did not magically give
      him a lawful reason to terminate Ortiz when Ortiz was fired for declining to
      divulge information about protected union activities during an interrogation.
             Second, the ALJ and NLRB took Graminger’s testimony “into
      account.” Universal Camera Corp. v. NLRB, 
340 U.S. 474, 488
 (1951). The
      ALJ expressly found that Graminger was “more credible” than the other
      witnesses for Tesla. This shows the ALJ considered his testimony, even
      though it did not specifically mention his pro-union beliefs. The ALJ
      expressly did not credit Graminger’s testimony that Ortiz’s union activity
      was never discussed during the meeting about Ortiz because it was “obvious
      that all the attendees of the meeting knew that Ortiz was active with the
      Union, and it seem[ed] implausible that no one mentioned his union activity
      during this meeting especially considering Graminger admitted this was a
      ‘sensitive case.’” Graminger testified that he asked a senior vice president
      (Hochholdinger) whether he knew of the internal investigation “involving
      Richard Ortiz, a member of the union.” While Hochholdinger confirmed that
      there had been a similar instance where someone was terminated for lying




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      during an investigation, 19 the ALJ noted that Graminger “did not know
      which Tesla policies Ortiz violated nor did he review any policies” when he
      recommended Ortiz’s termination. The record shows that the ALJ fully
      considered Graminger’s testimony, identified inconsistencies within his
      testimony (specifically concerning discussions of Ortiz’s union activities),
      and concluded Ortiz’s termination was motived by anti-union animus. The
      NLRB reviewed the entire record and agreed. Remanding for the NLRB to
      reconsider Graminger’s testimony second-guesses the NLRB’s credibility
      determination and reweighs the evidence, which we are not permitted to do.
      Allied Aviation Fueling, 
490 F.3d at 378
 (“In determining whether the
      Board’s factual findings are supported by the record, we do not make
      credibility determinations or reweigh the evidence.”).
              Third, Graminger made his decision to terminate Ortiz in reliance on
      incomplete and inaccurate facts reported to him by Gecewich, who the ALJ
      found to be wholly incredible. For example, Gecewich failed to inform
      Graminger of the very impetus of Ortiz’s and Moran’s conduct: Pratt’s and
      Ives’s public testimony on behalf of Tesla to state legislators in opposition to
      a union-sponsored bill. And Gecewich lied to Graminger that Ortiz’s
      Facebook post had “leaked some internal information out of Workday
      including some telephone number and personal information.” Because these

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                Tesla attempts to paint its decision to fire Ortiz in a positive light; specifically, it
      characterizes its decision as an effort to treat Ortiz the same as any other Tesla employee.
      The devil is in the details. Tesla only previously fired an employee for dishonesty where
      that employee, a vice president, lied about his use of a company vehicle, drugs, and alcohol
      found in that vehicle (i.e., a misuse of company resources) as well as an improper relationship with another employee. Those facts are worlds apart from Ortiz responding “I don’t
      know” when asked who provided him with screenshots containing information from Workday that Tesla did not prohibit employees from accessing, especially when Ortiz held a reasonable belief that Tesla was unlawfully interrogating him to learn about his and others’
      protected union activities.




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      material omissions and misrepresentations tainted Graminger’s ultimate
      decision, Tesla may not wash away the substantial evidence of anti-union
      animus by pointing to Graminger’s neutrality. NLRB v. Neuhoff Bros.,
      Packers, Inc., 
375 F.2d 372
, 374–75 (5th Cir. 1967); accord NLRB v. Big Three
      Indus. Gas & Equip. Co., 
579 F.2d 304, 312
 (5th Cir. 1978); Charter Commc’ns,
      Inc. v. NLRB, 
939 F.3d 798
, 816 (6th Cir. 2019).
                                     
             Because our en banc court should have enforced the NLRB’s orders
      across the board, I would deny Tesla’s petition for review and grant the
      NLRB’s cross-application to enforce its order. I respectfully dissent from the
      plurality’s opinion and judgment.




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