¶1The plaintiffs in error, who were defendants below, held a chattel mortgage on certain articles used in a billiard saloon, given by one George W. Closson, in. January, 1870, and falling due March 15, 1870. They were in possession of the chattels from a time not long after the date of the mortgage. There was evidence tending to show a sale and conveyance of the goods by the mortgagees, to one Teaehout, in February, 1870, before the mortgage matured. Some time before its maturity, Closson empowered one Lane as his agent, to pay the mortgage and get the property back, and dispose of it. Lane tendered the amount, on the day it became due, and the mortgagees did not accept the money, nor return the goods. Lane then sold the property to Mitchell, who made demand, and on refusal brought trover.
¶2The principal questions arise upon the effect of the tender, and of the sale to Teaehout, and upon the validity of *502the transfer to Mitchell. Some further questions also arose on the trial, upon rulings on evidence.
¶3To prove the power of attorney to Lane, evidence of its loss was given, and it was then made out by secondary evidence. Lane was allowed to show its contents from memory, and this was objected to on two grounds: first, because there was better evidence in the form of a copy, in the hands of Mitchell’s counsel; and, second, because there was a subscribing witness who should have been sworn.
¶4The supposed copy did not appear to have been compared by Lane, so that he could have identified it, and there is no rule of law that requires secondary evidence to be of one kind rather than another, where the writing is a private writing, and no counterpart is legally presumed or required to exist. If the evidence produced does not clearly show the tenor of the document, of course it fails; and if parties willfully keep back evidence in their possession, which might clear up a doubtful point, their conduct will have a tendency - to injure their case. But there is no doubt private papers may be made out by parol secondary evidence, and the objection to it, if there be any,-is one of weight and not of competency. And in this case, for any thing appearing, it may have been the best attainable, and the most satisfactory.
¶5There is no force in the objection that the subscribing witness (if there was one) was not produced. Such witnesses are required and expected to establish the genuineness of their own, and of the party’s signature, to an original paper. But they are not required or supposed to know the contents of the documents they attest, and are no more likely to be able to give secondary evidence of their purport, than any other persons. They are expected to know their own handwriting, and to say whether the paper appearing to bear it, was in fact so verified, but not whether *503they ever attested a paper which they have no means of identifying. It is not usual for such witnesses to charge, their memories with the contents of all the papers they have seen executed.
¶6It was also objected, that the money tendered was borrowed for the occasion, and that the tender was not kept good. But it cannot concern a creditor, from whom or-, on what terms a debtor gets the money to pay him, if the money itself is ready and available. And while a tender does not satisfy a debt, unless kept good, yet it discharges a lien upon property at once, when seasonably made and not accepted. — Moynahan v. Moore, 9 Mich. R., 9; Caruthers v. Humphrey, 12 Mich. R., 270; Van Husan v. Kanouse, 13 Mich. R., 303. In the present case the validity' of the lien, and not the - continuance of the debt, is the matter in issue.
¶7It was also urged that the mortgagees could not be. compelled to accept a tender from Lane, unless they had an opportunity of knowing his authority, which it is claimed was not given here. TJpon the facts there was some conflict of testimony, but the charge of the court was-very strong in requiring that they should have a reasonable opportunity to see the paper, and learn the extent of the authority"; and there was evidence which tended to show they had this opportunity, which we must assume was satisfactory to the jury.
¶8Some questions were raised upon a deposition taken in another county before a justice of the peace. An objection going to the proof of distance between the place of trial and that where the deposition was taken, is not now. insisted on, but the power of the justice is denied.
¶9The section under which this testimony was taken, is published as section 5892, in the Compiled Laws of 1871.. It provides for the examination of witnesses in or out of the *504county. If within the county where the cause is to be tried, the deposition, if to be used before a justice, must be taken by that justice, and by no other person. If before arbitrators, or referees, or before the circuit, or probate court, the testimony must be taken before a circuit court commissioner or judge of the circuit court. If taken in another county, the section further provides that it may be before "any justice of the peace, circuit court commissioner, or judge of the circuit court,” of such county.
¶10This language is not ambiguous, and we do not see such a clear intent to confine the action of justices of the peace to evidence to be used before other justices, as would authorize us to import such a condition into the statute. It may be very convenient to have distant witnesses examined in their own townships, and while depositions must be fairly and regularly taken, we cannot say that the legislative action was taken under any belief that justices might not act in one case as safely as in another. There was an evident reason for having witnesses in the same county examined before the justice who was to try the cause, and who would thus have the benefit of seeing the witnesses. This might be impracticable in causes pending in courts of record. But where the hearing is to be had in a county where the witness is not produced, it can make little difference who examines him. And there is certainly no presumption that a justice will not take testimony properly.
¶11The witness was asked if he knew the subject matter of the suit, and answered by describing it as a suit in trover to recover the value of personal property bought by plaintiff of one Closson, of which defendants had taken possession, refused to deliver up on demand by plaintiff, and converted to their own use, being the same goods and chattels which had been previously mortgaged by said Closson to said Eslows, but which said mortgage lien said *505plaintiff claimed had been discharged before his purchase of said goods and chattels, by payment or tender of full payment of said mortgage lien when the same was due on the part of said Closson.
¶12This answer was objected to as a conclusion of law. We think it was a mere description of the suit, and not in any way an assertion of the rights of, either party, and that it was’not objectionable.
¶13An attempt was made to avoid the effect of the conveyance to Mitchell, by showing that it was designed to hinder and defraud creditors. And it is claimed here that this defense was material and admissible.
¶14We think the court below was right in excluding it. If Closson had never disposed of the property, and had brought this suit himself, defendants could not have claimed any lien on the property beyond the chattel mortgage. A creditor has no right to hold a debtor’s property on which no lien has been created. If he has no specific claim upon it, he can only reach it by execution or attachment. And no one who has not obtained some legal hold upon it, can have any legal concern with any disposition a debtor may make of his effects. It could in no way affect the defendants in the trover suit, whether Mitchell received the property fairly or unfairly, if done with Closson’s assent, because, so far as they were concerned, unless they should obtain a levy or other claim against it, Closson had a right to do with it as he pleased. — Glynn v. Phetteplace, supra, p. 283.
¶15The only question remaining is, whether the right to recover in this case was barred by the previous sale to Teachout.
¶16This was not an assignment of the mortgage, but a sale of the goods. It was made before the mortgage was due, and when the mortgagees had no right whatever to dispose of the property. No title passed by it. The mortgagees *506were bound to have the property on hand, and to return it when the money was tendered, and any disposal of it in violation of this duty, was illegal. They could not shift their liability to a third person and get rid of it themselves, and, as between them and Closson, or his assigns, they were hound'to deliver up the goods on demand. This obligation arose out of the express terms of their own contract,, by which they originally obtained possession, and became bailees. They cannot defend themselves by their own wrong. The findings of the jury, of the previous sale, and that they had lost control of the goods, were therefore immaterial, ag they could not evade the duty of having them ready for the owner, and he was not bound either to affirm the sale, or to pay any regard to it. He had a right to look directly to the only persons who had ever' been in privity with him.
¶17There was no error in the rulings, and the judgment must be affirmed, with costs.