¶1I concur with the result and with the reasoning of the majority in parts I through III, but I am compelled to write separately concerning the Penal Code section 654
¶2And the trouble does not stop there. People v. Latimer (1993) 5 Cal.4th 1203 [23 Cal.Rptr.2d 144, 858 P.2d 611], in which the Supreme Court reaffirmed the vitality of the intent and objective test used to determine whether the section applies,
¶3Latimerexpressly approved People v. Trotter, supra,7 Cal.App.4th 363(People v. Latimer, supra,5 Cal.4th at p. 1216). Trotter's analysis provides the basis for my colleagues’ conclusion section 654 does not apply here because the acts “were separated by considerable periods of time during which reflection was possible.” (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 689.) And, under Trotter's reasoning they conclude each stabbing episode “evinced a separate intent to do violence.” (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 689, italics omitted.) If one focuses on the stabbings and ignores the kidnapping, the result has some facial appeal. But the conundrum still exists.
¶4In Latimer, the Supreme Court found section 654 applied to a kidnapping and a rape where the defendant drove the victim into the desert and raped her *691and there was no evidence of any purpose or objective for the kidnapping other than the rape. (People v. Latimer, supra,5 Cal.4th at pp. 1216-1217.) Applying that reasoning here, what was the purpose of kidnapping Sanchez if not to stab him? A direct application of Latimersuggests section 654 applies, but according to my colleagues Trotter, expressly approved in Latimer, suggests it does not.
¶5Which is “wrong”?
¶6As the majority notes, our court in Trotterheld the defendant could be punished separately for multiple shots fired at a pursuing police officer which occurred in less than a minute. (People v. Trotter, supra,7 Cal.App.4th at pp. 366-368.) To do so, the court relied heavily on People v. Harrison (1989) 48 Cal.3d 321 [256 Cal.Rptr. 401, 768 P.2d 1078]. Examination of Harrison and its progenitor, People v. Perez (1979) 23 Cal.3d 545 [153 Cal.Rptr. 40, 591 P.2d 63], is necessary to expose the flaw in Trotter’s reasoning.
¶7In Perezthe Supreme Court determined section 654 does not prohibit separate punishment for rape, sodomy and two counts of oral copulation which occurred during the same encounter. (People v. Perez, supra,23 Cal.3d at pp. 549, 553.) The court expressly limited its analysis to sex offenses.
¶8Two important conclusions must be noted: (1) Perez, by its express terms was intended to apply only to sex cases; and (2) it was decided not by using the intent and objective test, but by creating an exception to it. In this context the Supreme Court concluded section 654 did not apply to multiple sex offenses. In doing so it considered People v. Greer (1947) 30 Cal.2d 589 [184 P.2d 512], where the court had found section 654 applied to a lewd conduct charge consisting of removing the victim’s underwear as a prelude to rape. (People v. Perez, supra,23 Cal.3d at p. 553.) To distinguish Greer, the Perezcourt noted, “None of the sex offenses [in Perez] was committed as a means of committing any other, none facilitated commission of any other, and none was incidental to the commission of any other.” (Id. at pp. 553-554.)
¶9People v. Harrison, supra,48 Cal.3d 321 was merely a corollary of Perez. The defendant argued the Perezexception did not apply when the multiple offenses committed in sequence violated the same statute. (Id. at p. 336.) In rejecting that contention, the Supreme Court made a number of comments that our court reiterated in People v. Trotter, supra,7 Cal.App.4th 363: “ ‘No purpose is to be served under section 654 by distinguishing between defendants based solely upon the type or sequence of their offenses. ... [I]t is defendant’s intent to commit a number of separate base criminal acts upon his victim, and not the precise code section under which he is thereafter convicted, which renders section 654 inapplicable.’ [Citation.] . . . [U ‘[Defendant should . . . not be rewarded where, instead of taking advantage of an opportunity to walk away from the victim, he voluntarily resumed his . . . assaultive behavior.’ ” (Id. at pp. 367-368, quoting People v. Harrison, supra,48 Cal.3d at pp. 337-33S.)
¶10In relying on these quotations, our court failed to acknowledge that Harrisongleaned these principles from Perez, which is “the touchstone in *693determining how these general principles are to be applied to sex offenses” (People v. Harrison, supra,48 Cal.3d at p. 336, italics added), and that Perezitself expressly limited its principles to sex offenses. Thus, our court was somewhat myopic when stating in Trotter, “[W]e see no reason to limit Harrison's reasoning to sex crimes.” (People v. Trotter, supra, 1 Cal.App.4th at p. 367.)
¶11Indeed, another reason to limit Harrisonis apparent: unless the assaults in Trotterare analytically identical to those in Perezand Harrisonand distinct from other crimes, extending the Perezexception to Trotterleads to the exception swallowing the rule. Defendants who do multiple acts giving rise to multiple penal violations are almost always more culpable than those who do only a single act.
¶12Our court made another error in Trotter. We found that “. . . under the long recognized ‘intent and objective’ test, each shot evinced a separate intent to do violence just as each new and separate penetration in Harrisonevinced a new and separate intent and objective.” (People v. Trotter, supra, 1 Cal.App.4th at p. 368.) We erred by construing Harrisonas a case “where the court allowed separate and consecutive punishment on the basis of defendant’s intent.”
¶13And, our court erred as a matter of logic and common sense. As Trotter contended, his apparent intent was to dissuade a pursuing police officer from giving chase. The only things analytically distinct about each shot are the locations where the shots were fired and the number of misses which preceded them. To jury-rig separate intents or objectives, one would be *694required to surmise Trotter first had an intent to shoot the officer at point A and then had a new intent to shoot him'at point B, etc.
¶14By expressly approving Trotter, at least on the multiple intent theory, the Latimercourt not only created the conundrum I have discussed, but spawned mutant tests such as the one created in Trotterand applied here: the time for reflection test. (People v. Trotter, supra,7 Cal.App.4th at p. 368; maj. opn., ante, at p. 689.) Although the test has some attractiveness as a circumstantial evidence tool for determining whether the defendant did entertain multiple objectives or intents, it should not be used as a benchmark. Not all defendants reflect even if they have the time.
¶15But worse than the analytical flaws in such a test is its potential to swallow up the intent and objective test. Nearly all criminals have time to reflect on their actions between crimes. Latimer certainly did during the drive out to the desert with his victim.
¶16So why do I concur? Because it is time to do away with the intent and objective test and substitute one that adequately reflects the plain language of section 654 and its purpose:
¶17The test has advantages over the intent and objective test. It is true to the plain language of the statute, which refers to “an act.” It is in accord with the section’s purpose, but presumes that multiple punishment for multiple acts will be commensurate with culpability. It obviates the need for exceptions to
¶18The Supreme Court declined to abandon the intent and objective test in Latimer, reasoning the Legislature may have relied on the test when enacting penal sentencing laws. I see no danger in that regard. The one example the Supreme Court gave did not prove its point,
¶19Applying the proposed new rule here yields the same result my colleagues reach, but uses a much simpler and analytically pure approach. The kidnapping was a separate act from the stabbings, and each stabbing was separate *696from the others. The kidnapping undoubtedly increased the victim’s terror and facilitated privacy for more stabbing. The stabbings, punctuated by breaks, increased the victim’s injuries and suffering. Punishing for multiple acts under these circumstances was commensurate with culpability.
¶20Nearly two years has passed since the Supreme Court decided Latimer. The Legislature has not acted, and I am not aware of pending legislation. Section 654 case law remains a morass of inconsistency and confusion. I most respectfully invite the Supreme Court to revisit the problem.
¶21All statutory references are to the Penal Code. Section 654 provides in relevant part, “An act or omission which is made punishable in different ways by different provisions of this code may be punished under either of such provisions, but in no case can it be punished under more than one . . . .”
¶22That test was announced in Neal v. State of California (1960) 55 Cal.2d 11 [9 Cal.Rptr. 607, 357 P.2d 839] and directs that section 654 be applied where multiple acts give rise to separate crimes if they were perpetrated with the same intent and objective. (55 Cal.2d at p. 19.)
¶23The Supreme Court is never wrong in a stare decisis sense. (Auto Equity Sales, Inc. v. Superior Court (1962) 57 Cal.2d 450, 455 [20 Cal.Rptr. 321, 369 P.2d 937]; People v. Savala (1981) 116 Cal.App.3d 41, 58 [171 Cal.Rptr. 882].) I speak only of logical flaws, and only with appropriate humility.
¶24The court said: “Although certain general principles may be distilled from prior decisions on section 654, we do not attempt in this case to determine their proper application to other than sex offenses.” (23 Cal.3d at p. 551.)
¶25Nor should it have. Whether there was more than one intent or objective is a question of fact for the trial court and will be upheld if there is substantial evidence to support it. (People v. Ratcliff (1990) 223 Cal.App.3d 1401, 1408 [273 Cal.Rptr. 253]; see also People v. Coleman (1989) 48 Cal.3d 112, 162 [255 Cal.Rptr. 813, 768 P.2d 32]; People v. Williams (1992) 9 Cal.App.4th 1465, 1473 [12 Cal.Rptr.2d 243]; People v. Goodall (1982) 131 Cal.App.3d 129, 148 [182 Cal.Rptr. 243].)
¶26It is ironic, to say the least, that this court focused on Harrison’s “walk away” language in Trotter. Trotter was fleeing from his victim, the officer, when he committed his crimes. Each *693shot was to facilitate his getaway. The shots continued because the victim continued his pursuit. I do not suggest Trotter was less culpable because the officer chose to do his job, but the circumstances show the “walk away” test, if there is one, was inapt in Trotter.
¶27I will address the merits of doing away with the rule by means other than exceptions.
¶28That error infected the Supreme Court’s characterization of Trotteras a separate objective case. (People v. Latimer, supra,5 Cal.4th at pp. 1211-1212.)
¶29The majority points out that the Latimercourt characterized Harrisonand Trotteras applying the intent and objective test, and did not distinguish between sex and nonsex cases. (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 689, fn. 7.) I might easily just accept that fact and leave the matter at rest, but I continue to be troubled by this problem: if the Supreme Court’s characterization of these cases is taken seriously and applied at face value, Latimershould have come out the other way. The Supreme Court would have “narrowly interpreted the length of time [Latimer] had [the] specific objective [to kidnap], and thereby found [the] similar but consecutive objective!] [to rape] permitting multiple punishment.” (People v. Latimer, supra,5 Cal.4th at pp. 1211-1212.) In other words, if the Supreme Court seriously intended its characterization of Harrisonand Trotterto apply in the kidnapping context we have here, why did the court not apply it to Latimer’s case to avoid the result it expressly found distasteful? (See People v. Latimer, supra,5 Cal.4th at p. 1211.)
¶30That approach might be called “the spatially sensitive intent and objective test.”
¶31These comments notwithstanding, I disagree with my colleague’s characterization of my attitude toward Trotteras “contempt.” (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 689, fn. 7.) I simply think it is wrong.
¶32Indeed, if a significant percentage of them did reflect, we would have much less crime.
¶33The majority cites a case that falls prey to the trend of creating separate intents out of whole cloth, People v. Nichols (1994) 29 Cal.App.4th 1651 [35 Cal.Rptr.2d 478]. The Court of Appeal used Harrisonand Trotterto justify a finding that the defendant’s intent in kidnapping his victim was distinct from his intent in threatening him. The court said the former intent was to accomplish a robbery; the latter intent was to get away with it. (Id. at pp. 1656-1657.) Honest.
¶34That reasoning supposes there are two classes of criminals; those who do crimes, and those who do crimes and want to get away with them. The distinction between those two classes is reminiscent of this passage from Carroll’s Through the Looking Glass: “[The White King] ‘. . . And I haven’t sent the two Messengers, either. They’re both gone to the town. Just look along the road, and tell me if you see either of them.’ [c|] T see nobody on the road,’ said Alice. [1 T only wish I had such eyes,’ the King remarked in a fretful tone. ‘To be able to see Nobody! And at that distance too! Why, it’s as much as I can do to see real people, by this light!’ ” (As quoted in Dukeminier & Johanson, Family Wealth Transactions: Wills, Trusts, Future Interests, and Estate Planning (1972) p. 680, fn. 6.)
¶35The section’s purpose is “to insure that a defendant’s punishment [is] commensurate with his culpability. [Citation.]” (People v. Perez, supra,23 Cal.3d at p. 552.)
¶36There are others besides the sex crime exception, for example, multiple victims of violent crimes (see People v. Latimer, supra,5 Cal.4th at pp. 1211-1212) and multiple victims of burglaries in one commercial building (People v. James (1977) 19 Cal.3d 99, 119 [137 Cal.Rptr. 447, 561 P.2d 1135]).
¶37Under the intent and objective test, the determination is initially a factual determination for the trial court which should be upheld if there is substantial evidence. Given the flexibility of that approach, two judges could make different findings on virtually the same evidence, render different sentences, and be upheld on appeal. That would certainly not render punishment commensurate with culpability.
¶38The court listed section 667.8, which provides a three-year enhancement when certain sexual offenses are facilitated by a kidnapping. The section was enacted to negate section 654’s constraint on additional punishment for the kidnapping in those circumstances. (People v. Latimer, supra,5 Cal.4th at p. 1215.) The court opined that “[difficult questions would arise” if Nealwere overruled, specifically whether punishment could be imposed for both the kidnapping and the kidnapping enhancement. (Ibid.) But under In re Chapman (1954) 43 Cal.2d 385, 390 [273 P.2d 817], the answer is simple. The same act gives rise to both punishments and section 654 would apply by its own terms.
¶39The Latimer Court relied on Hilton v. South Carolina Public Railways Comm’n (1991) 502 U.S. 197 [116 L.Ed.2d 560, 112 S.Ct. 560] and Quill Corp. v. North Dakota (1992) 504 U.S. 298 [119 L.Ed.2d 91, 112 S.Ct. 1904] for the proposition stare decisis mandates deference to the Legislature to alter the statute. (People v. Latimer, supra, 5 Cal.4th at p. 1214.) But those cases involved clear-cut legislative decisions, federal preemption of railway worker injuries in the former case and the physical presence use tax rule in the latter. (Hilton v. South Carolina Public Railways Comm’n, supra, 502 U.S. at pp. 206-207 [116 L.Ed.2d at p. 567, 112 S.Ct. at p. 564]; Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, supra,504 U.S. at pp. 318-319 [119 L.Ed.2d at p. 99, 112 S.Ct. at p. 1916].) The United States Supreme Court did not decide whether stare decisis prevails where, as here, the issues are complex, involve jurisprudential rather than societal questions, and courts are as well or better equipped than the Legislature to answer them.