¶1James Jackson was convicted following a bench trial of the charged offense, assault with intent to rob being armed. MCLA 750.89; MSA 28.284.
¶2Three hours after an attempted robbery of a bar Jackson was arrested when he sought to use a credit card stolen from a vending machine collector during the course of the attempt to rob the bar.
¶3Jackson pled guilty to the offense of attempted unlawful possession of a credit card and was sentenced.
¶4Jackson’s bench trial on the assault with intent to rob charge commenced a month later before the same judge who had accepted his plea of guilty and sentenced him on the credit card charge.
¶5I
¶6The dominant issue at the trial was identification. Barmaid-proprietress Petrenas identified Jackson as the culprit. Five other res gestae witnesses, including the vending machine collector, were unable to make an identification. Petrenas had previously identified Jackson at two photographic showings and at a lineup.
¶7The Court of Appeals rejected all assignments of error except those relating to the identification procedures and remanded to the trial court for a determination whether Petrenas’s in-court identification was of independent origin.
¶8On remand, the same judge who had presided at the trial and at the earlier guilty-plea proceeding held an evidentiary hearing and concluded that Petrenas’s identification had an independent source.
¶9Jackson contends that
(1) the judge erred in ruling that the prosecutor had an absolute right to impeach his credibility by the introduction of prior convictions, and in refusing to exercise his discretion in deciding whether to allow such impeachment in this case;
(2) Petrenas’s in-court identification testimony and the testimony pertaining to her pre-trial identifications should have been excluded;
(3) the judge should not have sat as trier of fact at the assault with intent to rob trial because he had accepted a plea of guilty to the charge of attempted unlawful possession of a credit card and had presumably read a presentence report before sentencing Jackson on that charge;
(4) special findings of fact are required in judge-tried criminal cases, and the findings filed by the judge in this case were inadequate;
(5) the judge erred in excusing the production of certain indorsed res gestae witnesses;
(6) the prosecutor impermissibly introduced evidence of other crimes;
(7) the judge had a predisposition to find Jackson guilty;
(8) Jackson was placed twice in jeopardy when, *332after he had been convicted for attempted unlawful possession of a credit card, he was prosecuted for assault with intent to rob being armed.
¶10We reverse and remand for a new trial because the trial judge did err in failing to recognize that, in the exercise of discretion, he might have refused to allow the impeachment of Jackson by reference to his prior conviction record. We also conclude that before a new trial the question whether Petrenas’s claimed ability to identify Jackson has an independent source should again be explored before a judge other than the one who sat at the trial.
¶11II
¶12The statute provides that no person shall be disqualified as a witness by reason of his interest or his having been convicted of any crime but his "interest or conviction may be shown for the purpose of affecting his credibility.” (Emphasis supplied.)
¶13In Luck v United States, 121 US App DC 151, 156; 348 F2d 763, 768 (1965), the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit held, under a statute with fundamentally the same language as the Michigan statute, that a trial judge may, in the exercise of discretion, exclude evidence of prior crimes:
"It [the statute] says, in effect, that the conviction *333'may/ as opposed to 'shall/ be admitted; and we think the choice of words in this instance is significant. The trial court is not required to allow impeachment by prior conviction every time a defendant takes the stand in his own defense. The statute, in our view, leaves room for the operation of a sound judicial discretion to play upon the circumstances as they unfold in a particular case. There may well be cases where the trial judge might think that the cause of truth would be helped more by letting the jury hear the defendant’s story than by the defendant’s foregoing that opportunity because of the fear of prejudice founded upon a prior conviction. There may well be other cases where the trial judge believes the prejudicial effect of impeachment far outweighs the probative relevance of the prior conviction to the issue of credibility. This last is, of course, a standard which trial judges apply every day in other contexts; and we think it has both utility and applicability in this field.” (Emphasis by the Court.)
¶14Subsequently, in Gordon v United States, 127 US App DC 343; 383 F2d 936 (1967), Chief Justice, then Judge, Burger suggested guidelines for the exercise of this trial judge discretion. Among the factors to be considered are the nature of the prior offense, whether it is for substantially the same conduct for which the accused is on trial, and the effect on the decisional process if the accused does not testify from fear of impeachment by prior convictions.
¶15*334The highest courts of California, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Wisconsin, Connecticut, Alaska, Kentucky and New Mexico have also adopted the view that the question rests in the trial judge’s discretion, the California and Pennsylvania Courts expressly adopting the factor-balancing approach of the Luck-Gordon opinions.
"The question is inherently judicial, and we believe that view is correct which places the discretion as to the admissibility of this kind of evidence in the judge rather than in the prosecutor.” People v Montgomery, 47 Ill 2d 510, 515; 268 NE2d 695, 698 (1971).5
¶16In People v Cummins, 47 Mich 334, 336; 11 NW 184 (1882), this Court, in its first statement after the legislative elimination of the common-law disability of a defendant in a criminal case to testify in his own behalf, declared "it was quite within the discretionary authority of the trial judge” (emphasis supplied) to permit a defendant who had elected to testify to be cross-examined as to his prior conviction record.
¶17In People v Farrar, 36 Mich App 294, 300-306; 193 NW2d 363 (1971), a panel of the Court of Appeals adopted the Luck construction, and held it was error for a trial judge to fail to recognize that he may, in the exercise of discretion, refuse to allow reference to a defendant’s prior conviction *336record. This construction of the statute has been followed in subsequent Court of Appeals decisions.
¶18We are persuaded that a trial judge may in the exercise of discretion exclude reference to a prior conviction record, and that it is error to fail to recognize that he has such discretion and, therefore, to fail or to refuse to exercise it.
¶19In so construing our statute we have in mind that it is the duty of this Court to make the ultimate decision on whether to adopt, amend or retain a rule of evidence.
¶20In this case, at the conclusion of the people’s proofs, Jackson’s lawyer asked the judge to bar the use of his conviction record should he take the stand and testify in his own behalf. The judge responded that under the statute he had no choice but to allow the use of such evidence for impeachment purposes. The judge, thus, did not recognize that he enjoyed a discretion to exclude such evidence and, in refusing counsel’s request, did not exercise his discretion to allow or disallow the use of such evidence. On remand, the trial judge shall, upon request, in the exercise of his discretion, decide whether to exclude any reference to Jackson’s prior conviction record.
¶22In Kirby v Illinois, 406 US 682; 92 S Ct 1877; 32 L Ed 2d 411 (1972), the United States Supreme Court, with less than five justices joining in an opinion, declared that the Wade
¶23In United States v Ash, 413 US 300; 93 S Ct 2568; 37 L Ed 2d 619 (1973), the Supreme Court held that the Sixth Amendment does not guarantee an accused the right to counsel at photographic displays at which witnesses attempt to identify a suspect. The Court distinguished its earlier Wade decision, requiring counsel at corporeal identifications, on the basis that the suspect is not physically present at a photo showing. This conclusion was rested essentially on the Court’s analysis limiting the Sixth Amendment right to counsel to only "trial-like confrontation” at which the accused requires the "guiding hand of counsel”.
¶24In People v Anderson, 389 Mich 155, 186-187; 205 NW2d 461 (1973), this Court, in an opinion by Mr. Justice Williams, declared:
"1. Subject to certain exceptions, identification by photograph should not be used where the accused is in custody.
"2. Where there is a legitimate reason to use photographs for identification of an in-custody accused, he *338has the right tó counsel as much as he would for corporeal identification procedures.”
¶25The Andersonopinion was filed after the Kirbydecision was announced but before Ashwas decided.
¶26The quoted Andersonrules were enunciated after an extensive analysis of the competing considerations and represent the conclusion of this Court, independent of any Federal constitutional mandate, that, both before and after commencement of the judicial phase of a prosecution,
¶27Accordingly, in the exercise of our constitutional power to establish rules of evidence applicable to judicial proceedings in Michigan courts
¶28We have considered whether the rules spelled out in Anderson, decided on March 27, 1973, should be made retroactive. Jackson was arrested on the credit card charge on July 1, 1970 and on the assault with intent to rob charge on August 5, 1970.
¶29The following appears in the opinion in People v Adams, 19 Mich App 131, 133; 172 NW2d 547 (1969): "Defendant’s appellate counsel argues and the [Wayne County] prosecutor concedes that the exhibition-of-photographs stage is as critical as the lineup stage.” A footnote quotes the people’s brief: *340"The appellee agrees that the pretrial photographic identification stage is as critical as the lineup stage. The appellee is also in agreement with the view that, where the defendant is in custody, identification by means of a police lineup should be attempted. People v Rowell (1969), 14 Mich App 190 [165 NW2d 423].”
¶30It, therefore, appears that at least as to appeals from Wayne County, Andersonought to be retroactive to at least June 11, 1969, the date on which the Adamscase was submitted. Jackson is, therefore, entitled to the benefit of the rule stated in Anderson. We reserve the question whether Andersonshould have greater retroactivity as we think that other considerations may be relevant in appeals from less populous counties and there is no need, decisionally, to reach that question.
¶31IV
¶32It is unclear whether the judge who presided at Jackson’s trial received any information during the earlier credit card guilty-plea proceedings which would not have been admissible at the assault with intent to rob trial.
¶33V
¶34Turning to the remaining issues, in People v Jackson, 390 Mich 621, 627; 212 NW2d 918 (1973), we recently held that a trial judge sitting without a jury is required to file findings of fact in a criminal case as well as in a civil case. We have examined the trial judge’s findings in this case and conclude that they are more than adequate on the only disputed factual issue, identification.
¶35We see no need to decide whether it was error to excuse the two res gestae witnesses. At the new trial it will again be the prosecutor’s obligation to attempt to produce them and the circumstances then are likely to be different than the circumstances as they were at the time of the first trial. We do observe, however, that the statement of a police officer that the testimony of one of the two witnesses was cumulative ought not to have been accepted in lieu of production of the witness. Such *342a statement generally is merely repetitive of what an investigative report indicates the witness told an investigating officer; acceptance of such multiple hearsay is inconsistent with the defense right to cross-examine the witness.
¶36If upon the new trial the judge decides to exclude reference to prior convictions, it will be especially important to avoid reference to other crimes committed by Jackson, including the attempted unlawful possession of a credit card conviction, even though he was initially arrested on that charge, except to the extent the circumstances of that crime have substantial probative value on the present charge of assault with intent to rob.
¶37There is no support in the record for the claim that the trial judge was predisposed to convict Jackson.
¶38Although the attempted unlawful possession of a credit card charge grew out of the assault with intent to rob charge, in the sense that the credit card was taken from the vending machine operator, the assault with intent to rob and the attempted possession of a credit card were separate transactions.
¶39Reversed and remanded for a new trial and further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
¶40 Petrenas had initially described the robber to police as having a "process” hair style. Yet she selected a picture of Jacks on in which he had a "natural” style.
¶41 MCLA 600.2159; MSA 27A.2159; originally enacted as 1881 PA 245.
¶42Similarly, see MCLA 600.2158; MSA 27A.2158; originally enacted as 1861 PA 125:
"No person shall be excluded from giving evidence on any matter, civil or criminal, by reason of crime or for any interest of such person … ; but such interest, … or conviction of crime, may be shown for the purpose of drawing in question the credibility of such witness, except as is hereinafter provided.” (Emphasis supplied.)
¶43 The United States Courts of Appeals for the Second, Fourth and Tenth Circuits have said that the question rests in trial judge discretion. United States v Palumbo, 401 F2d 270, 273 (CA 2, 1968); United States v Hildreth, 387 F2d 328, 329 (CA 4, 1967); United States v Miller, 478 F2d 768, 769 (CA 4, 1973); United States v Bartello, 432 F2d 1030, 1033 (CA 10, 1970).
¶44The First and Third Circuits appear to have adopted the same rule (United States v Johnson, 412 F2d 753, 756 [CA 1, 1969]; United States v Greenberg, 419 F2d 808, 809 [CA 3, 1969]), and the last expression from the Seventh Circuit is in accord. United States v DiVarco, 484 F2d 670, 677 (CA 7, 1973).
¶45The Eighth Circuit has rejected this approach. United States v Scarpellino, 431 F2d 475, 479 (CA 8, 1970).
¶46The Fifth Circuit may have rejected the discretionary approach. *334Bendelow v United States, 418 F2d 42 (CA 5, 1969), but see Unitea States v Vigo, 435 F2d 1347, 1351 (CA 5, 1970); United States v Bedgood, 453 F2d 988 (CA 5, 1972).
¶47There are decisions of the Ninth Circuit accepting (United States v Allison, 414 F2d 407, 411 [CA 9, 1969]) and rejecting this approach (Shorter v United States, 412 F2d 428, 430 [CA 9, 1969]).s
¶48 People v Beagle, 6 Cal 3d 441; 99 Cal Rptr 313; 492 P2d 1 (1972); Commonwealth v Bighum, 452 Pa 554; 307 A2d 255 (1973); People v Montgomery, 47 Ill 2d 510; 268 NE2d 695 (1971); State v Driscoll, 53 Wis 2d 699; 193 NW2d 851 (1972); State v Marquez, 160 Conn 47; 273 A2d 689 (1970); Spaulding v State, 481 P2d 389 (Alas, 1971); Bowie v State, 494 P2d 800, 801 (Alas, 1972); Cotton v Commonwealth, 454 SW2d 698 (Ky, 1970); State v Coca, 80 NM 95; 451 P2d 999 (Ct App, 1969); State v Victorian, 84 NM 491; 505 P2d 436 (1973).
¶49The Supreme Judicial Court of Maine has indicated that it is ready to adopt this view when the question is squarely presented. See State v Toppi, 275 A2d 805, 810 (Me, 1971).
¶50The Pennsylvania Court appears to have gone further than most, stating:
"Since the avowed purpose of using prior convictions in rebuttal is to cast doubt upon the defendant’s veracity generally as a witness, it is important to limit the convictions so used to crimes involving dishonesty or false statement. 'Both Model Code of Evidence Rule 106(1)(b) and Uniform Rule of Evidence 21 make inadmissible evidence of the conviction of a crime "not involving dishonesty or false statement.” Accord, McCormick, Evidence § 43 at 91. The Comment lo the Uniform Rule states the Rule’s aim as preventing the "smearing rather than discrediting” of the witness.’ McIntosh v Pittsburgh Railways Company, 432 Pa 123, 125, 246 A2d 467, 468 (1968). Cf. Fed.R.Ev. 609. Convictions for crimes not in this category have no probative value in this regard.” Commonwealth v Bighum, 452 Pa 554, 566.
¶51Similarly, see Cotton v Commonwealth, supra.
¶52In so holding, the California Court acknowledged:
“The Luck decision no longer states the rule in that jurisdiction. A different result was reached in Taylor v United States, [280 A2d 79] (D. C. Cir. Aug. 6, 1971) 9 Crim L Rep. 2450 because 14 District of Columbia Code section 305, had been amended to provide that evidence of any prior felony conviction 'shall be admitted if offered’ for impeachment. This subsequent development is based on statutory change and not the underlying rationale to which we still subscribe.” People v Beagle, 6 Cal 3d 441, 452, n 1.
¶53*335In this connection see fn 8 and accompanying text.
¶54The Connecticut Court so concluded, not as a matter of statutory construction, but in application of the general rule of evidence that a judge may in the exercise of discretion exclude relevant evidence if he concludes that its probative value is outweighed by its "prejudicial” effect. State v Marquez, 160 Conn 47, 52. See, generally, McCormick, Evidence (2d ed), § 185, pp 438-441; 1 Jones on Evidence (6th ed), § 4.6, p 392.
¶55 Other courts have announced their adherence to the view that a prosecutor has the right to have prior conviction evidence introduced. State v Hawthorne, 49 NJ 130; 228 A2d 682 (1967); Commonwealth v West, 357 Mass 245; 258 NE2d 22 (1970); Bustillos v State, 464 SW2d 118, 124 (Tex Crim App, 1971); State v West, 285 Minn 188; 173 NW2d 468 (1969); but see State v Stewart, — Minn —; 209 NW2d 913 (1973); People v Yeager, — Colo —; 513 P2d 1057 (1973); State v Busby, 486 SW2d 501 (Mo, 1972).
¶56 The common-law disabilities were removed for defendants in criminal cases by 1881 PA 245. People v Thomas, 9 Mich 314 (1861), commenting on 1861 PA 125, sets forth the former state of the law.
¶57People v Downs, 45 Mich App 130, 133; 206 NW2d 241 (1973); People v Hatfield, 46 Mich App 149, 151; 207 NW2d 485 (1973); People v Johnson, 46 Mich App 212, 220; 207 NW2d 914 (1973); People v Osteen, 46 Mich App 409, 419; 208 NW2d 198 (1973).
¶58See Perin v Peuler (on reh), 373 Mich 531, 541-543; 130 NW2d 4 (1964); Dusdal v City of Warren, 387 Mich 354, 367; 196 NW2d 778 (1972) (per Adams, J; Swainson and Williams, JJ., concurring). Cf. Buscaino v Rhodes, 385 Mich 474, 479; 189 NW2d 202 (1971); People v Bellanca, 386 Mich 708, 716; 194 NW2d 863 (1972). See, also, GCR 1963, 601-608 promulgating rules of evidence, including rule 607 superseding a rule enacted by the Legislature.
¶59The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania appears to have adopted the Luck construction in the exercise of its "supervisory powers”. Commonwealth v Bighum, 452 Pa 554, 567.
¶60United States v Wade, 388 US 218; 87 S Ct 1926; 18 L Ed 2d 1149 (1967).
¶61Gilbert v California, 388 US 263; 87 S Ct 1951; 18 L Ed 2d 1178 (1967).
¶62 Filing of a complaint/ issuance of an arrest warrant/ preliminary examination/ filing of an information or indictment.
¶63See, e.g. Simmons v United States, 390 US 377, 88 S Ct 967; 19 L Ed 2d 1247 (1968); Stovall v Denno, 388 US 293; 87 S Ct 1967; 18 L Ed 2d 1199 (1967); People v Adams, 19 Mich App 131; 172 NW2d 547 (1969).
¶64See, e.g. People v Cotton, 38 Mich App 763; 197 NW2d 90 (1972).
¶65See fn 8 and accompanying text. See, also, Chandler v State, 501 P2d 512, 520 (Okla Ct Crim App, 1972).
¶66See People v Anderson, 389 Mich 155, 168-169; 205 NW2d 461 (1973).
¶67See People v Anderson, supra, pp 186-187.
¶68Since photographs of an accused person may not ordinarily "be displayed to witnesses” if he is "known to be in custody” or "can readily be produced for a lineup” and, in general, only such an accused person is entitled to "an opportunity to request and obtain counsel,” most proper photographic identifications — where the suspect is not known or he cannot readily be produced for a lineup — will continue to be conducted without the presence of counsel.
¶69The identification of an accused person known to be in custody or who can readily be produced for a lineup is to be attempted, without the showing of photographs, at a corporeal lineup at which he is entitled to an opportunity to request and obtain counsel.
¶70In general, if a photographic identification of a known suspect is in fact conducted the likelihood is that both rules (the rule against holding the photographic identification and the rule against holding it without counsel) will have been violated. A violation of either or both rules will entitle a defendant to a hearing to determine whether the witness’ subsequent corporeal identification had a source independent of the photographic identification.
¶71 in People v Ramsey, 385 Mich 221, 225-226; 187 NW2d 887 (1971), this Court held it was reversible error for a trial judge sitting as trier of fact to refer to the transcript of preliminary examination testimony except under the exceptions provided by statute because jurors would not be aware of this testimony except under the provisions of the statute and a judge sitting as trier of fact can assume no greater prerogatives. In People v Frazier Walker, 385 Mich 596; 189 NW2d 41 (1971), this Court adopted the opinion of the Court of Appeals, 24 Mich App 360; 180 NW2d 193 (1970), reversing a conviction where the judge in a non-jury trial had interrogated witnesses in defendant’s absence and had knowledge that he had taken a lie detector test.
¶72This Court has under consideration the adoption of a court rule concerning the disqualification of a judge who has heard or received evidence which would not be admissible at the trial. This proposed rule has been criticized by some persons and whether and in what form it will be adopted is unresolved.
¶73 Jackson was arrested when he attempted to use the credit card to make a purchase three hours after the attempted robbery of the bar.
¶74(concurring). I concur in the result reached by Justice Levin but disagree with the rule set forth in Part II. In my opinion, the interest of justice and the efficient administration of our judicial system would best be served by declaring prior convictions inadmissible for the purpose of impeaching the credibility of a criminal defendant.
¶75The practice of allowing the introduction of a witness’ criminal record to impeach his credibility has come down to us as a modification of the common-law rule that rendered any convicted person incompetent to testify. McCormick, Law of Evidence (2d ed), § 43, p 84. In the 19th century this common-law rule was justly criticized as observers recognized that there was no necessary relationship between a prior criminal conviction and a disposition to tell the truth at trial. 37 U Cinc L Rev 168, 169 (1968). Our Legislature displayed its general agreement with the critics of the old rule by abolishing it and thereby allowing previously convicted persons to testify. See, 1846 RS, ch 102, § 99; 1861 PA 125. The Legislature, however, did not eliminate all aspects of the former rule. In its place was substituted a new rule that permits opposing counsel to introduce the witness’ criminal record under the color of impeaching his credibility. See, 1881 PA 245, relevant provisions now found in MCLA 600.2159; MSA 27A.2159.
¶76I think that it is now time for this Court to recognize a fact that has been well illustrated by commentators and confirmed by the facts in the present case. When the prospective witness is a criminal defendant with a prior record, there is often no real distinction between the common-law prohibition from testifying and our present rule. Rather than expose his prior record to the trier of *344fact the defendant must forego his right to testify in his own behalf. State v Santiago, 53 Hawaii 254, 258; 492 P2d 657, 660 (1971); H. Kalven and H. Zeisel, The American Jury 146 (1966); McCormick, Law of Evidence (2d ed), § 43, p 84.
¶77If we expect the trier of facts to intelligently and impartially decide if a defendant has committed the crime for which he is standing trial, it makes no sense to permit artificial barriers to remain in the fact-finding process. A toted understanding of the events in question at an adversary trial cannot logically be achieved unless the defendant is able to freely testify as to his recollection of them. Conversely, if a defendant with a record does elect to testify, we ask the jury to perform unattainable feats of "mental gymnastics” by exposing it to a defendant’s record for the stated purpose of weighing his credibility and then asking the jury to totally disregard the criminal record when passing on the defendant’s guilt or innocence of the present charge.
¶78I find it undeniable at this time that the prejudice resulting from allowing impeachment of a defendant by prior conviction evidence clearly outweighs whatever small probative value might result from the practice.
¶79In addition to increasing fairness and the full scope of fact-finding at the trial court level, a rule barring the impeachment of defendants through the use of prior convictions will aid appellate review. A defendant will, of course, retain his right to remain silent at trial without any adverse inference being drawn from the exercise of that right. However, in reviewing a trial we will no longer be forced to presume that a defendant did not testify out of fear of exposing his past record. Similarly, appellate courts will be in a better position to determine if a defendant has received a fair trial if they can review the full scope of the evidence and are able to assume that the jury did not use his prior record as a basis for conviction.
¶80A decisional rule barring the impeachment of the credibility of a criminal defendant through the use of his prior convictions in all cases where the defendant does not introduce evidence to affirmatively support his credibility would be consistent *346with both the words and spirit of MCLA 600.2158; MSA 27A.2158. As an appellate court we do not interpret laws in a vacuum. We interpret them in light of our increasing factual knowledge and the evolving standards of justice. Cf. People v Wimberly, 384 Mich 62, 66; 179 NW2d 623 (1970); Harper v Virginia Board of Elections, 383 US 663, 670; 86 S Ct 1079; 16 L Ed 2d 169 (1966). Since we know more now than was known in 1861, when that section was first enacted, concerning the true result of allowing impeachment by the use of prior convictions, it is reasonable that in the interests of justice we limit this permissive statute to the extent necessary to avoid prejudice at criminal trials.
¶81 Even when properly instructed on the limited purpose for which the prior convictions may be used, the jury members undoubtedly do not erase a defendant’s record from their minds when deliberating on the verdict. They likely use defendant’s record to conclude that he is a "bad man” and probably guilty of the crime for which he is being tried, 70 Yale L J 763, 777 (1961), and thus use his record to lighten the sense of responsibility which rests upon the jury, by showing that he is not worthy of painstaking [consideration] and care.’ ” 37 U Cinc L Rev 168, 172 (1968).
¶82 To date we have already limited the extent to which the facts contained in a defendant’s prior record may be used to impeach his credibility. For example, we recently held in People v Falkner, 389 Mich 682; 209 NW2d 193 (1973), that inquiry could not be made into a prior arrest record or concerning charges that did not result in a *345conviction. In People v Rappuhn, 390 Mich 266; 212 NW2d 205 (1973), we found that the length and conditions of sentences served are not within the scope of a proper cross-examination. Likewise, the Court of Appeals has barred impeachment of a defendant through the use of his juvenile record, People v Warren, 23 Mich App 20; 178 NW2d 127 (1970); People v Smallwood, 306 Mich 49; 10 NW2d 303 (1943), and held in People v Farrar, 36 Mich App 294; 193 NW2d 363 (1971), the decision approved by the majority in the present case, that the trial judge must exercise his discretion to determine if impeachment by any prior conviction should be allowed. See also, People v Eddington, 387 Mich 551; 198 NW2d 297 (1972). In all of these cases the Courts have followed the rule that evidence will be excluded when the prejudice resulting from its introduction is deemed to outweigh the probative value of the evidence.
¶83 When the defendant takes the witness stand the jury will continue to be suspect of his testimony and will examine it carefully even if he is not impeached by his prior convictions. Juries are aware of the pressure on a defendant to exculpate himself and the possibility that he has prepared "the best story possible”. 78 Harv L Rev 426, 440 (1964). The jury’s focus will, however, be directed to the facts of the case before them find not to facts unrelated to the case in which they are charged to reach a fair and impartial verdict.
¶84The legal profession has always taken pride in its ability to bring out the facts of an event within the limitations of the trial setting. I am confident that a rule foreclosing the impeachment of a defendant in a criminal case by the use of prior convictions will not lessen that ability. After a defendant has taken the witness stand in his own behalf his testimony can be tested through a vigorous cross-examination without the necessity of resorting to impeachment by prior convictions. State v Santiago, 53 Hawaii 254, 259-260; 492 P2d 657, 661 (1971).
¶85(dissenting). Defendant is appealing his conviction for assault with intent to rob while armed. I cannot agree that this conviction is made unsound by the trial judge’s declining to prohibit all cross-examination as to defendant’s felony record. I cannot join the Court’s application of the decision in People v Anderson, 389 Mich 155; 205 NW2d 461 (1973) to this case and its retroactive effect as to Wayne County. I do not share the Court’s misgivings about the trial judge presiding at the remand identification hearing.
¶86FACTS
¶87Because the facts are important, I add to those set forth in the majority opinion.
¶88The robbery occurred July 1, 1970 at the Terminal Bar in Detroit. A complaint alleging assault with intent to rob was issued July 27, 1970. De*348fendant was arrested for this crime on August 5, 1970.
¶89Defendant waived his right to trial by jury. During trial Elizabeth Petrenas, a barmaid and part owner of the bar, identified defendant. After the robbery she had selected defendant’s picture when shown photographs of nine individuals. Subsequently, she also identified defendant from a lineup. Defendant’s attorneys did not object to admission of this testimony.
¶90At the close of the evidence, the court said the case "really boils down to the question of identity”. The court did not believe the testimony of defendant’s sole alibi witness. The court did emphasize Mrs. Petrenas’ "ample opportunity to see the alleged robber”. Defendant had been in the bar previously and she had talked to him. During the robbery it was defendant who went behind the bar to empty the cash register. The judge was sure Mrs. Petrenas "got a mental picture of the alleged assailant that she won’t forget for a long time to come”. The judge was "satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that she was able to identify her assailant and that her assailant was, in fact, this defendant”.
¶91Defendant moved for a new trial. The judge said "there was sufficient basis for concluding that the in-court identification had an independent basis separate and apart from the exhibition of the photographs”. He felt the circumstances and length of observation dispelled any fear that the identification was "tainted or colored by the fact that she was shown photographs”.
¶92In an opinion filed June 28, 1972, the Court of Appeals said:
"The crux of this matter seems to be whether or not the in-court identification of the defendant was tainted *349by the lack of defendant’s legal representation at the time of his previous photographic identification, made prior to formal accusation.”
¶93Despite the absence of objection, the Court remanded for a hearing "to determine whether complainant’s in-court identification was of independent origin”.
¶94Hearings were held in August and September 1972. The transcript runs over 100 pages. The trial judge said when defendant first entered the bar "he asked for the latrine, which was an expression [Mrs. Petrenas] was unfamiliar with and had not heard it before and that attracted her attention”. The fact that defendant left without purchasing anything also attracted her attention. Coupled with factors noted above, this led the judge to conclude "that in this case the witness did have an independent basis for her identification here in court of the defendant”.
¶95Defendant’s delayed application for leave to appeal the decision of the Court of Appeals was granted by this Court April 30,1973.
¶96DISCUSSION
¶97I
¶98The Court has reversed defendant’s conviction believing that error was committed when the judge failed "to recognize that, in the exercise of discretion, he might have refused to allow the impeachment of Jackson by reference to his prior conviction record”. Error should not be predicated on this failure because the prosecutor had a statutory right to impeach defendant by reference to his prior convictions. The judge does have discretion to limit the testimony, but not to prohibit impeachment inquiry.
¶99*350MCLA 600.2159; MSA 27A.2159 provides that if a witness has been convicted of a crime, such conviction "may be shown for the purpose of affecting his credibility”. The common law prohibited any defendant or convicted person from testifying. The latter disability was removed by the Revised Statutes of 1846.
¶1001861 PA 125 removed the defendant’s disability:
"Nothing in this act shall be construed as giving the right to compel a defendant in criminal cases to testify but any such defendant shall be at liberty to make a statement to the court or jury and may be cross-examined upon any such statement.”
¶1011881 PA 245 introduced the predecessor of MCLA 600.2159:
"No person shall be disqualified as a witness in any criminal case or proceedings … by reason of his having been convicted of any crime; but such … conviction may be shown for the purpose of affecting his credibility.”
¶102When the defendant takes the stand, he is treated in the same manner as any other witness. To date, the statute remains the sole expression of state policy. There is no court rule to the contrary as an expression of this Court’s policy. There is considerable Michigan case law supporting the contention that the prosecutor has the right, during cross-examination, to offer defendant’s prior convictions as evidence bearing on his credibility. The judge’s discretion should prevent such a cross-examination from exceeding permissible limits.
¶103The defendant in People v Eddington, 387 Mich 551; 198 NW2d 297 (1972) had been cross-examined about other charges then pending against him. This Court felt the "trial judge should exer*351cise his discretion in such a way that a defendant is not cross-examined, under the guise of testing credibility, merely to prejudice the jury”. Such questioning must be controlled and limited "so as to prevent a miscarriage of justice”. The judge’s discretion should control cross-examination, not prohibit it.
¶104In People v Di Paolo, 366 Mich 394; 115 NW2d 78 (1962), the defendant was cross-examined as to prior convictions. The Court said there was no question that "the people had the right to such cross-examination, if properly conducted * … the purpose being to assist the jury in determining the credibility of defendant as a witness in his own behalf’. (Emphasis added.) It was the trial court’s duty to insure that cross-examination was properly conducted.
¶105The prosecution in People v Finks, 343 Mich 304; 72 NW2d 250 (1955) did not introduce defendant’s criminal record until he had a lapse of memory on cross-examination. The Court said the "right to show these convictions for the purpose of determining credibility is established” by statute (emphasis added):
"In determining the weight to be given the defendant’s testimony the jury had a right to know what manner of man he had been in the past. See Van Goosen v Barlum, 214 Mich 595 [183 NW 8 (1921)]; People v Cummins, 47 Mich 334 [11 NW 184 (1882)].
"In Lunde v Detroit United Railway, 177 Mich 374, 378 [143 NW 45 (1913)], this Court held:
" 'The extent of cross-examination for the purpose of showing the true character of the witness, so as to enable the jury to properly judge the weight to give the testimony, should be and is left to the discretion of the trial judge, and will not be reviewed unless this discretion is clearly abused.’
"There was no effort made to enlarge upon the details *352of the convictions and the record was offered with credibility of the witness as the sole issue.”
¶106The Court in People v De Camp, 146 Mich 533; 109 NW 1047 (1906) found no error in the trial court’s admitting evidence that defendant had been convicted of other crimes:
"Defendant was a witness, and this evidence was competent to affect his credibility. Helwig v Lascowski, 82 Mich 621 (10 L.R.A. 378 [46 NW 1033 (1890)]), and cases there cited.”
¶107In Helwig, the Court said:
"While it is competent on cross-examination to interrogate a witness fully as to his past life, so that the jury may know what manner of man the witness is and has been, still there must be a limit beyond which such inquiry should not go, and the trial judge must, in the exercise of a sound discretion, determine when that limit is reached. Only a clear abuse of that discretion will be reviewed on error.”
¶108Justice Levin cites only People v Cummins, 47 Mich 334; 11 NW 184 (1882) as precedent provided by this Court which found that it is "within the discretionary authority of the trial judge to permit” questions as to prior convictions. However, the Court in the same paragraph further said:
"The defendant had voluntarily offered himself to the court and jury as a general witness, and his right to testify and their duty to receive his testimony and consider it were clear and unqualified. It is evident that the course of inquiry referred to was not carried beyond reasonable bounds, and certainly it was not wrong to permit him to be requested in the mode pursued to inform the judgments of the triers as to his former life and behavior.”
¶109Acting in the aforesaid legal milieu the judge, in *353my opinion, did not err in concluding that he could not totally prohibit cross-examination as to prior convictions. However, it is agreed that such an examination should be carefully circumscribed to insure that it does not produce a miscarriage of justice.
¶110It is, however, fruitless to analyze the legal question presented in this case by referring to established precedent. This case is being used as the first step in the march to eliminate use of prior convictions to attack a defendant’s credibility. This decision is being used to change a policy established by statute and precedent.
¶111The majority opinion poses a problem of a practical nature which should have been addressed. If the judge is to use his or her discretion in deciding whether to exclude evidence of prior convictions, such convictions must be timely revealed so that the judge can make a fully informed decision.
¶112Therefore, I would have provided that a pretrial determination be made in a hearing in which the interested parties would be present to consider this question and also to dispose of questions raised by Loper v Beto, 405 US 473; 92 S Ct 1014; 31 L Ed 2d 374 (1972) and United States v Tucker, 404 US 443; 92 S Ct 589; 30 L Ed 2d 592 (1972) as to use of convictions unconstitutionally obtained.
¶113THE FUTURE
¶114It is important to look ahead. If there are obstacles in the path of truth, of course they must be removed or rendered harmless. Therefore, this "first step”, this departure from history and Michigan statutory and judicial precedent, must be viewed with appropriate caution and its goal studied in depth.
¶115*354The majority opinion considered together with the concurring opinions renders the route of this Court obvious. Either by court rule or precedential opinion, the Court would prohibit impeachment of the credibility of a criminal defendant by any reference to prior convictions. The credibility of all other witnesses may be impeached by evidence of prior convictions. Although all of us wish to arrive at the truth, I have deep reservations as to whether truth will be the product of our labors.
¶116An important function of the trier of fact is to evaluate the credibility of witnesses, weighing the testimony elicited from each against the testimony of others. To date, the trier of fact has been assisted in this evaluation by appropriate evidence demonstrating what manner of person each witness may be. It appears that the trier of fact may be required to operate in a vacuum so far as the defendant is concerned, but that another set of rules would apply to others. Indeed, the victim or the complaining witness may end up in all appearances as the accused.
¶117On the face of the instant probability, the scales of justice would be improperly balanced.
¶118There is a large if sometimes overlooked difference between securing so far as is possible a fair trial leading to the right result (the truth of the matter) and securing to defendants the benefit of anything and everything which may give them a chance for acquittal. We appear to be headed towards the latter result.
¶119II
¶120The Court has affirmed and applied the decision of People v Anderson, supra,to these facts. The Court acknowledges that the Andersonrules are *355not mandated by constitutional guarantees. The Court assumes unfairness and feels compelled to readopt the rules "to preserve best evidence eyewitness testimony from unnecessary alteration by unfair identification procedures”. I believe this objective can be met by less restrictive procedures which will preserve the constitutional rights of citizens and promote efficient law enforcement. The United States Supreme Court has afforded strong and recent precedent which we ignore.
¶121In Kirby v Illinois, 406 US 682; 92 S Ct 1877; 32 L Ed 2d 411 (1972), the Supreme Court declined
"to extend the Wade-Gilbert per se exclusionary rule to identification testimony based upon a police station showup that took place before the defendant had been indicted or otherwise formally charged with any criminal offense.”
¶122The Court refused "to import into a routine police investigation an absolute constitutional guarantee historically and rationally applicable only after the onset of formal prosecutorial proceedings”. Noting Stovall v Denno, 388 US 293; 87 S Ct 1967; 18 L Ed 2d 1199 (1967) the Court said:
"When a person has not been formally charged with a criminal offense, Stovallstrikes the appropriate constitutional balance between the right of a suspect to be protected from prejudicial procedures and the interest of society in the prompt and purposeful investigation of an unsolved crime.”
¶123In the instant case, as in Kirby, the formal proceedings on the charge complained of had not been instituted. Defendant was only a suspect as to the assault. Unlike Kirby, where there was a station house one-on-one confrontation, defendant in our case was identified from among a group of *356photographs and out of a lineup as well as in court.
¶124After the Andersonopinion the United States Supreme Court in United States v Ash, 413 US 300; 93 S Ct 2568; 37 L Ed 2d 619 (1973) discussed the question of
"whether the Sixth Amendment grants an accused the right to have counsel present whenever the government conducts a post-indictment photographic display, containing a picture of the accused, for the purpose of allowing a witness to attempt an identification of the offender.”
¶125Nine of ten circuits answered in the negative. The majority of state courts answered in the negative.
¶126In Ash, the Court concluded:
'!A substantial departure from the historical test would be necessary if the Sixth Amendment were interpreted to give Ash a right to counsel at the photographic identiñcation in this case. Since the accused himself is not present at the time of the photographic display, and asserts no right to be present … no possibility arises that the accused might be misled by his lack of familiarity with the law or overpowered by this professional adversary. Similarly, the counsel guarantee would not be used to produce equality in a trial-like adversary confrontation.” (Emphasis added.)
¶127The Court held "that the Sixth Amendment does not grant the right to counsel at photographic displays conducted by the government for the purpose of allowing a witness to attempt an identification of the offender”.
¶128Kirbyholds that there is no right to counsel at events preceding the institution of adversary criminal proceedings. (See Ash, p 303, footnote 3.) Ashholds that there is no right to counsel at photographic displays used for identification purposes.
¶129*357The proceedings in the instant case fall within the rules of Kirbyand Ash. I believe adoption of those rules would promote efficient criminal investigation while preserving the rights of all citizens. I do not believe Andersonas effectively serves those ends.
¶130RETROACTIVITY
¶131Even if I could subscribe to the result in Anderson, I would not adopt the Court’s application of that decision. Andersonhas been made retroactive to June 11, 1969 but only as to appeals from Wayne County. As sole authority for this unique conclusion, the Court makes much of a one-paragraph excerpt from a prosecutor’s brief which was quoted in a footnote in a decision of the Court of Appeals. (The Court fails to note that the defendant’s conviction in that case was affirmed by the Court of Appeals.)
¶132Upon such a gossamer thread of legal authority is hung the weighty determination that Andersonhas a limited retroactive effect applicable to appeals from one county of this state. The Court has, without a substantial basis, created two classes of criminal defendants. The Court has cut across guarantees of equal protection of the laws.
¶133Ill
¶134The Court has expressed "misgivings” about the trial judge presiding at the hearing ordered by the Court of Appeals. The Court believes "even an upright man could not be wholly objective” in these circumstances.
¶135The conclusion of the Court is unsupported by the record. It is not even raised by defendant in his ten allegations of error. There is no claim of *358prejudice or bias. There is no claim that due process was denied. There is no claim that the hearing was truncated or unfair.
¶136The Court has on its own raised this issue. The remarks are inappropriate, in my opinion. The 100 page record is clear on its face. I believe that this Court does not reflect "the appearance of justice” in faulting the obviously painstaking judge. Defendant’s conviction should be affirmed.